Sack Griffin/New Coach Discussion

[Renegade]

I don't see how Hunt is flying.

Hunt is playing well because there are literally no other halves left that have NRL experience. That's why we have Hoffman playing in the halves. He's beginning to perform to his abilities, the only thing Hook has done for him is given him a starting spot in his preferred position instead of 25mins off the bench as a replacement hooker.

It took Griffin the best part of 3 and a half seasons to play Macca for 80mins.

Thaiday isn't flying, his stats for this season are:

v Bulldogs 6 hit-ups, 57 metres.
v Cowboys 11 hit-ups, 107 metres.
v Roosters 14 hit-ups, 119 metres.
v Dragons 8 hit-ups, 77 metres.
v Eels 6 hit-ups, 54 metres.
v Titans 4 hit-ups, 22 metres

Of course he has the support of his players, you'd support your coach too if you knew there was little chance of being dropped despite repeated underwhelming/poor performances. It's a shame that despite having the support of his players, he is unable to actually coax a performance out of them.

These good facets are spurious and having little impact overall on our squad and its performances, add to the fact that we're showing the same signs we showed last year and to me it's all finger in ear, eyes closed nonsense. Almost bordering on sycophantic.

 

[Sproj]

Well you could say that or you could say it is trying to be a bit more well rounded and not all doom and gloom like a lot of members on here are. I also think a few of the points you suggested are spurious and one-sided but each to their own. I'm not saying Hook is a great coach but mainly because of his tactics. His man management actually seems pretty good and as for attracting big name players, well Barba and Kennedy are already here and until further notice, the most exciting young talent in the game has a contract with his signature on it as well. Sorry if these facts are not acceptable.

 

[levikaden]

Thaiday is going great this year. No question

 

[Renegade]

Well you could say that or you could say it is trying to be a bit more well rounded and not all doom and gloom like a lot of members on here are. I also think a few of the points you suggested are spurious and one-sided but each to their own. I'm not saying Hook is a great coach but mainly because of his tactics. His man management actually seems pretty good and as for attracting big name players, well Barba and Kennedy are already here and until further notice, the most exciting young talent in the game has a contract with his signature on it as well. Sorry if these facts are not acceptable.

Kennedy isn't a big name and Barba fell into our lap, as has Milford.

not to mention the aforementioned two that we currently have in our squad have been playing poorly, but tell me more about hook and his man management/ability to get the best out of players. Is it along the same vein as thaiday playing well when stats show a different story?

Sorry if these facts distort your rose tinted reality of the situation.

I'm not really concerned which of my facts you find spurious because the truth is, you haven't been able to refute any of them.

 

[rnabokov]

Thaiday is going great this year. No question

On and off but largely an unguided missile, like a number of others in this talented side. Maybe some organization on the left side would help.

As for Kennedy ... the pillow who walks? Wish he would run like Hala

 

[Bull Shark]

tallis said it on triple m yesterday basically exactly what i've been saying on here. barba is not the problem its the players and structure in front of him that is. (well lack thereof). and not having a decent 6. we have no gameplan or attacking structure the one out stuff is going to fool no one

Gordon knows where it's at ...

 

[Sproj]

Kennedy isn't a big name and Barba fell into our lap, as has Milford.

not to mention the aforementioned two that we currently have in our squad have been playing poorly, but tell me more about hook and his man management/ability to get the best out of players. Is it along the same vein as thaiday playing well when stats show a different story?

Sorry if these facts distort your rose tinted reality of the situation.

I'm not really concerned which of my facts you find spurious because the truth is, you haven't been able to refute any of them.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Rose tinted means you can't see any negatives right? Yet I have repeatedly pointed out that I am sick of Hook's extremely poor game planning. Not really sure why you Hook death riders get so uptoight (Aussie slang) when someone tries to look at it a bit more realis...less pessimistically.

 

[rnabokov]

Gordon knows where it's at ...

So do we all

 

[Renegade]

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? Rose tinted means you can't see any negatives right? Yet I have repeatedly pointed out that I am sick of Hook's extremely poor game planning. Not really sure why you Hook death riders get so uptoight (Aussie slang) when someone tries to look at it a bit more realis...less pessimistically.

I'm just frustrated because what's the point in looking at it less negatively?

It is what it is, no amount of polishing will make the turd shine anymore.

So why not call it for what it is instead of trying to be sunshiners about it?

It is frustrating that some people on here will recognize that we have a poor coach, a poor 5/8th, and underperforming and frankly overpaid (for what they're producing) side and yet, calls for change are met with resistance - 'oh but there's no performing halves anywhere else', 'oh but there's no coaches around and besides he has good points'. Yeah he probably does, he's probably nice to his wife and friendly to his neighbours, but if they're not having a direct impact on the squad or the performance, it is irrelevant.

It's apparently insane to consider an ISC/U20's half and an unproven coach, yet it's also totally insane to keep what we have and expect that it's going to get better. There have been no indications that keeping the status quo will benefit us, so where's the harm in trying something different?

Don't they say madness is trying the same thing a thousand times and expecting a different result? That's what we're doing.

Edit: And I know we're only 3-3 for this season and it looks like the meltdown is premature but we have history to go off, we have two seasons of the same type of gameplan and the same performances, it's not just about how we have been this season, it's a continuation of the past two years.

 

[rnabokov]

I'm just frustrated because what's the point in looking at it less negatively?

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Don't they say madness is trying the same thing a thousand times and expecting a different result? That's what we're doing.

Edit: And I know we're only 3-3 for this season and it looks like the meltdown is premature but we have history to go off, we have two seasons of the same type of gameplan and the same performances, it's not just about how we have been this season, it's a continuation of the past two years.

This

 

[Bull Shark]

So do we all

yeah well it's just nice to finally hear someone stand up and say it publicly ... the courier mail's reporting of the broncos is bone lazy, disinterested & bordering on pathetic in terms of anything even approaching meaty analysis re how the team is going week to week, year to year. Sometimes I think nobody outside of this forum gives a shit when it comes to discussing the brisbane broncos..

That's part of why this whole situation is so damn frustrating at the moment, because the club is moving ever further away from the Rolls Royce it used to be, but nobody outside of the fans seems to be speaking up about it.

at least, that's the way it feels to me anyway.

 

[Fighting Irish]

I have just read the last 3 or 4 pages of comments and for some people saying that hook has some good things about him - you have to be kidding.
He may be the nicest bloke under the sun to talk too & he may have a quiet manner about him but the facts are simple - we finished the worst we have ever done last year under his guidance and what he STILL displaying this year is exactly the same old shit.
to say he has improved Hunt, Macca and whoever is absolute rubbish - Hunt was shoved from pilar to post the last 2 years and the kid didn't know where he was supposed to be placed in the team - this year by being stable he has shown he can do ok - Macca should have always been an 80mt player but dumbo "had to" give Hunt a run each game as mandatory 30 minute replacement - what a load of BS this interchange thing is - more on that later.
Maranta was bagged a lot last year but I cannot remember 1 game when he actually got the ball in the clear 20 or 30 mtrs from the line - but this year playing outside a decent centre in Copley he has gone very well
BUT to say we are better off without Norman is crazy - I saw him 3 seasons ago when locky was retiring and I said this kid had it all - yes he was only 18 then and now he is 22 i think and the raps he is getting down at parra is very good as he has matured as a player and put on bulk as well - would I like to have him around as our 5/8th now - you bet - he can pass the ball oh so well - can kick pretty well and now can tackle - and where did HOOK have him - at bloody fullback - so he left!!!!!!!!!!!! hello

 

[rnabokov]

yeah well it's just nice to finally hear someone stand up and say it publicly ... the courier mail's reporting of the broncos is bone lazy, disinterested & bordering on pathetic in terms of anything even approaching meaty analysis re how the team is going week to week, year to year. Sometimes I think nobody outside of this forum gives a **** when it comes to discussing the brisbane broncos..

That's part of why this whole situation is so damn frustrating at the moment, because the club is moving ever further away from the Rolls Royce it used to be, but nobody outside of the fans seems to be speaking up about it.

at least, that's the way it feels to me anyway.

You are not alone, and what Tallis said is spot on.

 

[subsbligh]

It goes far deeper than Hook.

The Broncos have 5 years to get it right or they will be also rans by when the next TV rights deal is negotiated and a when (not if) a second NRL side is introduced into Brisbane/SEQld.

 

[Fighting Irish]

As I have said before Barba is being used as a linkman not an attacking weapon and he is totally confused - Hoofman is hopeless at 5/8th and we know that but HOOK somehow cannot see that at all - as you know my best friend Jack Reed should have been punted a long time ago and for many months I was belted from pilar to post about it but most now agree that he needs to go to Roma seconds.

I look at the Tigers now after 3 very poor years - Benji and sheens has gone - potter was bashed up all last year but they went hunting for good young forwards who have GUTS and are prepared to do the hard yards - HOW COME WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE BIG BASHEM UP BLOKES - let me tell you why - Gee and white and Hook have no idea how to find a bloke like the Tigers have.

I look at EVERY other club - maybe except sharks - and say why cant we have forwards like them - how come - i just don't understand why???????????

Hook has NO IDEA about a game plan - 4 rucks up the middle - maybe try out wide once but Hoffman wont pass the ball anyway and then an up and under for Reed to chase and trip over a worm - whatever

Hook has NO IDEA about the interchange - every game its within 2 or 3 minutes the same changes at the same time week in and week out and only using 16 players with one catching a cold on the bench full time and the 16th blike only getting 5 to 10 mts max

and we run out of gas in the last 10 minutes and get beaten time after time at the end of the game - and Hook say we have to improve - well he is the one needing to improve - out at Roma seconds with jack bloody Reed

 

[subsbligh]

I'm just frustrated because what's the point in looking at it less negatively?

It is what it is, no amount of polishing will make the turd shine anymore.

So why not call it for what it is instead of trying to be sunshiners about it?

It is frustrating that some people on here will recognize that we have a poor coach, a poor 5/8th, and underperforming and frankly overpaid (for what they're producing) side and yet, calls for change are met with resistance - 'oh but there's no performing halves anywhere else', 'oh but there's no coaches around and besides he has good points'. Yeah he probably does, he's probably nice to his wife and friendly to his neighbours, but if they're not having a direct impact on the squad or the performance, it is irrelevant.

It's apparently insane to consider an ISC/U20's half and an unproven coach, yet it's also totally insane to keep what we have and expect that it's going to get better. There have been no indications that keeping the status quo will benefit us, so where's the harm in trying something different?

Don't they say madness is trying the same thing a thousand times and expecting a different result? That's what we're doing.

Edit: And I know we're only 3-3 for this season and it looks like the meltdown is premature but we have history to go off, we have two seasons of the same type of gameplan and the same performances, it's not just about how we have been this season, it's a continuation of the past two years.

Things are different this year. These performances are a million times removed from 2013.

Hunt is a genuine attacking threat. IMV, he's the form half of the competition. He is singlehandedly putting us into winning positions.

McCullough has come of age.

Our forward pack (with Thaiday back in some form, and Kennedy and Lowrie adding a bit of size and experience) has ridden rough shod over its opposition.

But for some luck and appreciation and not waste of a glut of field position and possession, we'd be undefeated.

Barba and Hodges (in particular) won't play as shit as they did against the Titans many times again this year.

Hodges should step down from Origin though.

 

[Fighting Irish]

It goes far deeper than Hook.

The Broncos have 5 years to get it right or they will be also rans by when the next TV rights deal is negotiated and a when (not if) a second NRL side is introduced into Brisbane/SEQld.

5 years - absolute rubbish - they have 12 months and i can tell you I along with a lot of other people can find something to do with our hard earned money than to spend $2,000 a year on family memberships plus food and drinks rather tan put up with this rubbishe we are being fed right now - if they do not finish in the top 6 this year - not top 8 then the club as a whole should be ashamed of itself and members will leave in the thousands - forget about the 5 years - lets get the thing sorted out now and for those who ask who would we get as a replacement for this drongo - answer this one question - could we go any worse under Walters - Henry - Elliot Brown - Sheens ( NOW THERE IS A THOUGHT) - ANSWER IMO OPINION IS NO

 

[Renegade]

Things are different this year. These performances are a million times removed from 2013.

Hunt is a genuine attacking threat. IMV, he's the form half of the competition. He is singlehandedly putting us into winning positions.

I think Hunt has been playing well too, I have no problem with Hunt. I don't think Griffin should be praised for playing Hunt in his proper position after not doing so for a couple of years.

McCullough has come of age.

Yes, again, he is doing well because he is being played properly.

These are elementary things for mine, should we praise a coach for learning to tie his shoe?

Our forward pack (with Thaiday back in some form, and Kennedy and Lowrie adding a bit of size and experience) has ridden rough shod over its opposition.

This is where I believe we're being a bit disingenuous. I've posted stats to show that this apparent rise in performance by Thaiday is not as it seems. Kennedy has been routinely pillored for having little impact, and Lowrie hasn't done much better.

But for some luck and appreciation and not waste of a glut of field position and possession, we'd be undefeated.

Barba and Hodges (in particular) won't play as shit as they did against the Titans many times again this year.

Hodges should step down from Origin though.

I'm sure we could pick out a hundred things that if done slightly different, could've altered the course of the season thus far. For whatever reason they haven't and we are where we are at present.

If you want to believe this year will be different under the same gameplans, you are entitled to that, but I have a feeling you'll be back in this thread before the year is out with a different opinion.