Sack Griffin/New Coach Discussion

[Morkel]

Sorry 1910 You haven't read most posters official position on anything broncos related.

If they do something good it is either pot luck, someone else did it or it just isn't that good.

If they do something bad - it is solely their fault, no one else's fault and it outweighs everything

Ziiiiiiiing

 

[Foordy]

Sorry 1910 You haven't read most posters official position on anything broncos related.

If they do something good it is either pot luck, someone else did it or it just isn't that good.

If they do something bad - it is solely their fault, no one else's fault and it outweighs everything

[LIKE]

 

[Alec]

Speaking of Griffin, boy does he suck.

 

[Huge]

Like Sproj said earlier I also think players on occasion read the forums and most especially about themselves when mentioned. I would doubt though if the coach would ever read anything on here. It was probably advice given to him years ago to ignore anything we write. The players are somewhat different as they do not direct the team like the coach although we all know they can influence each game they are involved in. It's human nature to want to know other peoples opinions of you and or your performances.

Some of the worlds highest profile people read about themselves in the various media sometimes with disastrous consequences . Many seem to thrive on the perceptions of the public. If it affects them in such a way I cannot see how players wouldn't at least have the occasional glance. With that thought I would encourage all the posters on here to be constructive in their criticisms. After all we all want the Broncos to succeed and tearing them a new arse without encouragement is counterproductive . Like us they have feelings and we all like a little oil every now and then.

 

[CaptainHook]

....personally not against anything (legal) that gets the players performing better. If the coach has "lost the dressing room" and can't regain it, his position is pointless.

I can understand that, Harry. At the end of the day though the players are meant to be professional. That means showing up and putting together a quality 80 minutes performance every week on the field. I was miffed last year about the Henry situation. After the Cowboys decided to look elsewhere for a coach suddenly the players started making the tackles and the passes started to stick. Almost as if their mindset was "Yikes, the coach is gone - I better start aiming up or I could be next."

Disgraceful.

 

[GCBRONCO]

You're being ridiculous.

Do you honestly think that he walks into Bennett's office- 'I've sacked Petero, see ya.'

Nolan was part of a process but he didn't have anywhere near the final say on player signings.

You credit him single handily with every signing or non signing you don't like yet never go through all the good things he was part of for 10 years. How incredibly balanced.

Take a step back mate, do I think the guy is totally to blame no, I do think he played a part that can't be ignored, I don't think the guy is a total fool, I even said in an earlier post that during his time he did make some good signings alongside the bad so don't selectively leave things out, Perhaps I was guilty of dwelling on the negatives too much, fine I'll admit that. You want balance, during that time we made some good recruitment's, Luke Priddis, Scott Prince, Ben Ikin(Prince and Ikin were great recruit options before injury set in) Michael Ennis, Israel Folau etc

 

[88to2006Glorydays]

I can understand that, Harry. At the end of the day though the players are meant to be professional. That means showing up and putting together a quality 80 minutes performance every week on the field. I was miffed last year about the Henry situation. After the Cowboys decided to look elsewhere for a coach suddenly the players started making the tackles and the passes started to stick. Almost as if their mindset was "Yikes, the coach is gone - I better start aiming up or I could be next."

Disgraceful.

Which is exactly why Griffin has to bring out the axe to spark the others into some form.

 

[Alec]

Re: [Rumour] The Hunt for Karmichael's return to Broncos.

2009 was a year where we just promoted over half a dozen rookies. It was when guys like McCullough, Glenn, Yow Yeh, Winterstein, McGuire and some others all started, so I am not surprised we were blown away a few times, they were still inexperienced.

In the end that year had Henjak looking at the future a bit too, with those players all improving with the experience, while Griffin just looks at the now. And it's not like the now is going too well either.

 

[mieko]

]Do you reckon the coach and players read this forum? I reckon some do[/B] and any good points raised about the coach as an example probably get completely lost in the hate for the guy. I sure know if I were coach and someone gave good ideas but in a very attacked and over critical way, I would sure find it hard to listen.

We we all know the guy just doesn't get it but the amount of unfounded attack on EVERYTHING about him is pretty sad in my opinion.

Haha yeah they do/did,(players) seen it firsthand and they were having a big ol laugh too....pretty funny actually.

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

Not sure if it has been brought up in this thread, but the dropping of Konrad Hurrell by the new warriors coach really got me thinking. Here they have one of the most destructive ball runners in the game, who only missed 1 tackle last week and made 17 hitups, more than anyone else in the entire warriors team. The coach dropped him because he has the tendancy to use up all his energy in attack and then retreat to the wing in defence, pushing his winger in to defend at centre. Dropping him is absolute madness, because if you have a strike weapon like that, who cares if he gets a bit gassed for defence. His side of the field let no tries in at all, he scored one himself, and he almost won them the game on the buzzer. Yet he got dropped because he didnt meet the standards the coach wants. On the other hand, we have the broncos with players so badly out of form like barba, reed and hoffman, who stink it up week after week without ever being dropped at all. A player like Hurrell, who would walk into any team in the NRL and is on fire in attack, gets dropped yet our coach doesnt even have the guts to drop players who deserved it weeks ago.

 

[Jeba]

Not sure if it has been brought up in this thread, but the dropping of Konrad Hurrell by the new warriors coach really got me thinking. Here they have one of the most destructive ball runners in the game, who only missed 1 tackle last week and made 17 hitups, more than anyone else in the entire warriors team. The coach dropped him because he has the tendancy to use up all his energy in attack and then retreat to the wing in defence, pushing his winger in to defend at centre. Dropping him is absolute madness, because if you have a strike weapon like that, who cares if he gets a bit gassed for defence. His side of the field let no tries in at all, he scored one himself, and he almost won them the game on the buzzer. Yet he got dropped because he didnt meet the standards the coach wants. On the other hand, we have the broncos with players so badly out of form like barba, reed and hoffman, who stink it up week after week without ever being dropped at all. A player like Hurrell, who would walk into any team in the NRL and is on fire in attack, gets dropped yet our coach doesnt even have the guts to drop players who deserved it weeks ago.

Bingo.

Wayne Bennett's biggest advice for young/rookie coaches is that you need to know who can and who can't play football. I am a defender of Hook's but this is his absolute biggest flaw at the moment. My biggest frustration is that when he made his biggest change last year (bench Wallace, Hunt to HB, Norman dropped) we started looking better in attack, yet our season was basically over already. I would've hoped that he would learn that if something isn't working (ie Hoffman at 5/8th) then you need to act early to fix it.

 

[rnabokov]

Bingo.

Wayne Bennett's biggest advice for young/rookie coaches is that you need to know who can and who can't play football. I am a defender of Hook's but this is his absolute biggest flaw at the moment. My biggest frustration is that when he made his biggest change last year (bench Wallace, Hunt to HB, Norman dropped) we started looking better in attack, yet our season was basically over already. I would've hoped that he would learn that if something isn't working (ie Hoffman at 5/8th) then you need to act early to fix it.

Maybe worse (?) perhaps Hook had another reason for benching Wallace and dropping Norman rather than as positive changes to improve the team's performance. I don't know but I agree with you Jeba.

He almost seems obsessed with HIS way of doing things above all else, including logic and the bleeding obvious.

Persisting with Barba at FB is understandable to me, for a few more games at least, but Hoffman at 5/8 is to me an utter mystery and folly.

Playing NRL with one genuine half is madness, and we will suffer the consequences. Now we are 8th on the table. Still, as I said before, maybe miracles do happen. Maybe Hoffman will suddenly see the light. But I doubt Hook will, or worse, can.

 

[nopatience101]

Bingo.

Wayne Bennett's biggest advice for young/rookie coaches is that you need to know who can and who can't play football. I am a defender of Hook's but this is his absolute biggest flaw at the moment. My biggest frustration is that when he made his biggest change last year (bench Wallace, Hunt to HB, Norman dropped) we started looking better in attack, yet our season was basically over already. I would've hoped that he would learn that if something isn't working (ie Hoffman at 5/8th) then you need to act early to fix it.

He also says that that if you start listening to what the fans have to say, you'll eventually end up sitting with them.

 

[I bleed Maroon]

Re: [Rumour] The Hunt for Karmichael's return to Broncos.

Henjak > Griffin.

You don't know what you have until it's gone.

 

[Foordy]

Re: [Rumour] The Hunt for Karmichael's return to Broncos.

Henjak > Griffin.

You don't know what you have until it's gone.

I disagree, we had far more thrashing dished out to us under Henjak than we did Griffin ... and under Henjak there were times when our players just seemed to "give up" as evidenced by our 56-0 loss to Canberra.

don't get me wrong Griffin has been dreadful as well, just not as bad as Henjak. IMO. (and Henjak had Locky for his entire Broncos coaching career. and i reckon we would have done far better if Griffin had Locky for his entire Broncos coaching career as well)

 

[I bleed Maroon]

Re: [Rumour] The Hunt for Karmichael's return to Broncos.

I disagree, we had far more thrashing dished out to us under Henjak than we did Griffin ... and under Henjak there were times when our players just seemed to "give up" as evidenced by our 56-0 loss to Canberra.

don't get me wrong Griffin has been dreadful as well, just not as bad as Henjak. IMO. (and Henjak had Locky for his entire Broncos coaching career. and i reckon we would have done far better if Griffin had Locky for his entire Broncos coaching career as well)

I was more talking in terms of a coach who had the balls to discipline the squad and take risks on juniors.

 

[Big Pete]

Henjak's disciplinary skills?

I don't recall him ever dropping players for disciplinary reasons or for form. At least, not to the same extent as Hook in terms of misbehaviour. The only thing I recall is that Henjak was way too harsh on his players and that he eroded a lot of players confidence by being too negative and intense.

He did blood more juniors in his short stay but it's worth pointing out that the majority of players he promoted were graduates from Hook's NYC side from 2008-09 and I can't see any argument against Griffin for his tenure at that level.

It's sort of crazy how different Hook was in terms of selection back then than he is now. I'm sure it has to do with it being NYC so the risk was no where near as great as it is at NRL level, but he had a knack of developing players and changing the side up until he found the right balance.

The perfect example of this was in 2009 where he had Gagai as the first choice fullback, which was the right decision long term but wasn't working and after experimenting around a bit with both Dane and Copley in the position, he ended up throwing a halfback by the name of Todd Murphy there and wouldn't you know it, Todd did a really good job back there. He then made a point of including Gagai in the side, first in the centres which didn't work but eventually found him a spot on the wing and young Dane began to build his confidence in that position.

There were other instances where he wasn't afraid to make tough and creative decisions but that's one that really sticks out and worked for the development of the talent.

At first grade, he hasn't had that luxury but at times has seemingly drifted from it and has put the club in two virtually hopeless situations these past two seasons.

I think this season will be his down-fall but I still think he did a great job with our 20s and heck also did a good job with the Dolphins in 06-07 and provided the club with depth they otherwise wouldn't have had.

And while I'm on that track, I definitely think Ivan had his strong points too and was handed a posion chalice of sorts. I don't think Henjak knew how to play the political game and bit off more than he could chew. However, as hard as certain matches were in 2010 to swallow, I'd take the highs of that season than anything 2013 produced.

 

[Super Freak]

I would love it if Henjak came back as an assistant coach. He created good gameplans, and we would have been one of the top 3 sides if his attitude was better..

That great run in 2009, no one could beat us. We were unstoppable, until we went up against a side that was 2 mil over the cap and didn't have a proper halfback which led Lockyer to try and do it all himself and come up with a performance that wasn't that good..