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rnabokov
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Re: Sack Griffin
Call me simple, or even simplistic (yeah, go for it :) ) I see it this way.
1. The team stands too flat in attack. There is no space/depth for key ball runners (especially Gillett, Glenn, Thaiday, Reed and Hodges) to get the ball at on the run, at speed.
2. There are too few times when the ball carrier has support runners expecting a pass AND picking an angle to run AND knowing they too will have support runners.
3. The above situations give the opposition defence less time to organize in defence and can force poor choices.
4. There is way too much one-out running. There should ALWAYS be someone ready for an offload. Trouble is, too few forwards look to offload.
5. Almost all the team consistently fail to support the ball runner - and there needs to be a pattern of support play where others are ready to run onto the ball and in turn, have support runners ready for an offload or pass.
6. At least 2 players need to be the generals on field to keep this shape and structure from falling apart.
7. There are too few well rehearsed set plays and if there are, the execution is APPALLING, if there at all.
2nd man/phase plays are a glaring example: ours rarely are effective. When Lockyer did it, especially with K. Hunt, it was generally well executed with either good ground made and/or a try scored.
6. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. ALL THE BEST TEAMS DO IT.
7. A good coach will develop these structures by drilling it into the team thru endless repetitions until they get it right. An opposed defence in training is a great idea.
Drilling means getting players to stand in a particular formation, move, even if it's a walk, into position, stopping the session when someone stuffs up and doesn't follow instructions, and do it again ...and again ... until the players get it right.
What is the big problem in this basic, simple coaching of structures AND discipline in a team?
Bellamy and Hasler can do it, keep the structures and support play I mean however they do it, Bellamy in particular. The results speak for themselves
So, either the coach won't or can't be bothered doing it, or the players just do not respond.
Either way, if it doesn't happen soon, we will end up at thebottom of the table and then maybe we will hire a decent coach. I hope Hook proves me wrong.
Call me simple, or even simplistic (yeah, go for it :) ) I see it this way.
1. The team stands too flat in attack. There is no space/depth for key ball runners (especially Gillett, Glenn, Thaiday, Reed and Hodges) to get the ball at on the run, at speed.
2. There are too few times when the ball carrier has support runners expecting a pass AND picking an angle to run AND knowing they too will have support runners.
3. The above situations give the opposition defence less time to organize in defence and can force poor choices.
4. There is way too much one-out running. There should ALWAYS be someone ready for an offload. Trouble is, too few forwards look to offload.
5. Almost all the team consistently fail to support the ball runner - and there needs to be a pattern of support play where others are ready to run onto the ball and in turn, have support runners ready for an offload or pass.
6. At least 2 players need to be the generals on field to keep this shape and structure from falling apart.
7. There are too few well rehearsed set plays and if there are, the execution is APPALLING, if there at all.
2nd man/phase plays are a glaring example: ours rarely are effective. When Lockyer did it, especially with K. Hunt, it was generally well executed with either good ground made and/or a try scored.
6. THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. ALL THE BEST TEAMS DO IT.
7. A good coach will develop these structures by drilling it into the team thru endless repetitions until they get it right. An opposed defence in training is a great idea.
Drilling means getting players to stand in a particular formation, move, even if it's a walk, into position, stopping the session when someone stuffs up and doesn't follow instructions, and do it again ...and again ... until the players get it right.
What is the big problem in this basic, simple coaching of structures AND discipline in a team?
Bellamy and Hasler can do it, keep the structures and support play I mean however they do it, Bellamy in particular. The results speak for themselves
So, either the coach won't or can't be bothered doing it, or the players just do not respond.
Either way, if it doesn't happen soon, we will end up at thebottom of the table and then maybe we will hire a decent coach. I hope Hook proves me wrong.
Big Dave
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Re: Sack Griffin
I didn't even read what you wrote but I bet it has to something to do with standing deeper, players in motion etc
I didn't even read what you wrote but I bet it has to something to do with standing deeper, players in motion etc
rnabokov
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Re: Sack Griffin
Yep. I was in a talkative mood haha. We don't do it. We can't score because of it. There is no reason why we can't do it. Why don't we?
Yep. I was in a talkative mood haha. We don't do it. We can't score because of it. There is no reason why we can't do it. Why don't we?
vertigo
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Re: Sack Griffin
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...some-big-boppers/story-e6frepbf-1226607150302
Tallis blaming the forwards lol, yeah mate - they're the reason we can't score in the opposition 20.
Our forward pack could be the Origin quartet of Petro, Scott, Hannant and Shillington in their prime and still look clueless.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...some-big-boppers/story-e6frepbf-1226607150302
Tallis blaming the forwards lol, yeah mate - they're the reason we can't score in the opposition 20.
Our forward pack could be the Origin quartet of Petro, Scott, Hannant and Shillington in their prime and still look clueless.
Big Pete
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Re: Sack Griffin
Tallis has got a point actually.
Forwards have been pretty average thus far. Considering that's where the majority of our money is, they're not doing what we need them to.
Tallis has got a point actually.
Forwards have been pretty average thus far. Considering that's where the majority of our money is, they're not doing what we need them to.
Kaz
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Re: Sack Griffin
Nope.
Had enough of a job for the old boys.
We need a tough coach that has the balls to drop players if they aren't playing well.
Nope.
Had enough of a job for the old boys.
We need a tough coach that has the balls to drop players if they aren't playing well.
Big Dave
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Re: Sack Griffin
You only need to look at the bench the first couple rounds. There's not much go forward in Stagg and Dodds.
You only need to look at the bench the first couple rounds. There's not much go forward in Stagg and Dodds.
Bucking Beads
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Sack Griffin
We've got a big bopper he just isn't fit yet. Bring on Hala
We've got a big bopper he just isn't fit yet. Bring on Hala
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Coxy
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Re: Sack Griffin
They're getting us in the opposition 20 on a regular basis. What more do they need to do?
They're getting us in the opposition 20 on a regular basis. What more do they need to do?
ivanhungryjak
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Re: Sack Griffin
Exactly. It must be frustrating to get all the way upfield only to see attacking raids mount to nothing.
Big Pete
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Re: Sack Griffin
Not on the weekend, that was the referees.
We need players to bend the line and put pressure on the defence. That was BARELY happening and has been barely happening all year.
Last year was a different story but then we've lost Civoniceiva (193cm) and Te'o (188cm)
Not on the weekend, that was the referees.
We need players to bend the line and put pressure on the defence. That was BARELY happening and has been barely happening all year.
Last year was a different story but then we've lost Civoniceiva (193cm) and Te'o (188cm)
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Alec
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Re: Sack Griffin
The forwards should be doing everything. 1 through 7 are just there to make up the numbers.
The forwards should be doing everything. 1 through 7 are just there to make up the numbers.
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tkday
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Re: Sack Griffin
Our fowards are definitely not pulling their weight. Hannant 89 mtr with 14 hittups. What the frig is that? Thaiday was the only one with decent stats. But even with the poor effort from forwards we were inside the 20 a lot and came up with zero points. Doesn't take a genius to see where the problem lies.
Our fowards are definitely not pulling their weight. Hannant 89 mtr with 14 hittups. What the frig is that? Thaiday was the only one with decent stats. But even with the poor effort from forwards we were inside the 20 a lot and came up with zero points. Doesn't take a genius to see where the problem lies.
Bucking Beads
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Sack Griffin
Another forward wouldn't hurt but I think our backs and halves are our clear weakness IMO.
Another forward wouldn't hurt but I think our backs and halves are our clear weakness IMO.
Big Pete
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Re: Sack Griffin
I don't think we need to recruit either. Just use Hala, Timu or J. Wallace when ready.
The tallest forward doesn't necessarily make the best forward, however a bit of size and balance goes a long way.
I don't think we need to recruit either. Just use Hala, Timu or J. Wallace when ready.
The tallest forward doesn't necessarily make the best forward, however a bit of size and balance goes a long way.
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coreyh88
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Re: Sack Griffin
The issue with our forwards is that they're running one out. The defence doesn't have to worry about passing our offloading. That makes stopping them in their tracks easy. What I don't understand is how one week we seem to fix it and go awesomely. The next 5 weeks it's nowhere to be seen.
The issue with our forwards is that they're running one out. The defence doesn't have to worry about passing our offloading. That makes stopping them in their tracks easy. What I don't understand is how one week we seem to fix it and go awesomely. The next 5 weeks it's nowhere to be seen.
Big Pete
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Re: Sack Griffin
What do you guys make of the TLL rumour?
He's another former Broncos hack who's been pretty average over the years but for the right price I reckon he'd be pretty handy off the bench.
What do you guys make of the TLL rumour?
He's another former Broncos hack who's been pretty average over the years but for the right price I reckon he'd be pretty handy off the bench.
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