Sack Griffin/New Coach Discussion

[Raw Boned Youngster]

saying Hook has to go is a complete no brainer - I have been suggesting this for months. He is inept and has failed totally in his role. We need a creative, innovative type who can restore this once great brand to where it should be- a cutting edge leader in its field. we need something to believe in, not something to hope for. At present we are followers and bereft of ideas.
Unacceptable.
As supporters of this club we have been completely done over by our administration. We are the biggest RL organization in the country and are being run like a chook raffle joint.
In the golden era of the club we were characterized by our front office and their ability to make a difference. compare the impact of some of the numpty types we've had since on our performance and recruitment.
We deserve so much better and the blind faith and wishful thinking by some of our posters is sad.
The reality is we have become nothing more than a hum drum club that no one worries about.
This should never have been allowed to happen and only occurred because of the head up the arse misguided pompous ness of those involved in management.

 

[Mister Wright]

If Griffin goes Walters is NOT the coach we need. IMO, should we be looking for a new coach in 2014, it can't be our third rookie coach. It needs to be an experienced campaigner. And imo, Kevin Walters does not fit the bill.

He's not a rookie coach though. He's been a head coach in the Super League just like Madge & Robinson.

 

[Financeguy]

There were articles earlier this week about teams chasing maquire from Souths, broncos were mentioned. I think his contract is up in 2015.
i think this is the perfect opportunity to get a new coach in 2015 and also show the league world we still have that ruthless streak to get what we want. Hell, Souths fucked us over with Inglis, this would be payback to show we are still a big dog in the fight and also screw over Souths for 2014.
The other benefit is to make players excited about coming here again, easier to attract players with a new coach and start of a new era than what they see now with Griffin.

Make Maquire an offer he can't refuse and drink the tears dripping down Russell crowes whinging tweets. We are supposed to be a financial powerhouse, lets show it. The money will be paid back when crowds are up an extra 5or10k people when our team is winning.

Dogs made it happen with des, made a grand final.

 

[Big Pete]

I'd keep Hook around for 2014, no point getting rid of him for some scrub coach like Walters, Matterson & Dymock when they're not the answer.

I like Madge BUT not completely 100% sold on him just yet but definitely not going to rubbish the idea if we do sign him. I do think apart of his 'magic' is having the best forward (or there abouts) and best back in the game.

 

[Buzz Killington]

We just need a coach who actually appreciates the wrestling aspect of the game and who also isn't afraid to make tough decisions which is exactly what the club needs.

 

[Financeguy]

I'd keep Hook around for 2014, no point getting rid of him for some scrub coach like Walters, Matterson & Dymock when they're not the answer.

I like Madge BUT not completely 100% sold on him just yet but definitely not going to rubbish the idea if we do sign him. I do think apart of his 'magic' is having the best forward (or there abouts) and best back in the game.

I hear what you are saying about Maquire but the problem is mate you can't wait another half a season or more to finally decide oh yeah, he is a good coach because by then the guy is signed to Souths or another club with foresight until 2018.

I don't think anyone is saying Maquire has magic, he just seems a bloody good coach whose results speak for themselves. Yes he has Inglis and Burgess but he is the coach getting the best out of them, on the flip side look at how good players like Goodwin and Sutton are going and the progress of young reynolds.

Is it a risk to sign Maquire? Sure, I'm sure he won't be cheap and could cost the club an extra 400k a year but like I mentioned above, with strong performances, increased star players either with imports or getting the most of some of our current crop the increase in crowds and sponsorship will easily account for Maquires salary.

Give Griffin 2014, there are no great short term options for next year but get Maquire to sign now for 2015 and announce it to the world. Let Griffin go back to under 20's for 2015, he seems to be more comfortable nurturing the younger guys without the pressures of recruiting.

 

[rnabokov]

I wonder how much dissatisfaction and friction there is amongst the ranks, and its effects.

Or can you feel the love in our squad, their uniform admiration for the coaching team, their self respect and self belief

 

[Kaz]

He's not a rookie coach though. He's been a head coach in the Super League just like Madge & Robinson.

We need a coach that hasn't had anything to do with the Broncos.

I don't want a former Broncos player as head coach, unless he has been retired for about 20 years & even then that could be too soon in retirement.

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Maguire was linked with a move to Brisbane Broncos as head coach in 2008

Michael Maguire (rugby league) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And who did we get, Henjak. :sad:

 

[Bull Shark]

The broncos should be rainmakers when it comes to getting the coach they want ... richest club in the league, no salary cap constraints ... if they want someone who's even semi-available they SHOULD be able to get them.

 

[Financeguy]

Just to elaborate on minimising the risk on Maquires salary. Our current crowd average in 2013 is 32,867 and dropping (last 2 crowds have been 21k). Avg in 2012 was 33,377, 2011 was 35,423, 2010 was 35,032.
When competitive we should be about 35k, end of 2013 we will be below 32k but let's assume 32k.

If a new coach gets us competitive we will get an extra 3k per game over 12 games is 36k extra tickets sold at say $28 each is just over 1 million dollars. There is Maquires salary with no change in overall profit to a Griffin coached side.

Obviously that's a simplistic model but hopefully you get the gist :)

 

[Bull Shark]

I wonder how much dissatisfaction and friction there is amongst the ranks, and its effects.

Or can you feel the love in our squad, their uniform admiration for the coaching team, their self respect and self belief

there's absolutely no question in my mind that it's there .... the rumblings and rumours at the start of the season clearly had substance .. That holocaust from a few weeks against the warriors sealed it for me - when the coach makes a raft of positional changes like that, he's putting a fire cracker under the players' asses and appealing to their professional and personal pride ... He's asking them re-prove their worth in the positions they were shifted from ... If you translated the 54-18 scoreline from that game into english, it would've read "**** YOU COACH" ... Then to back that up with another insipid and lifeless performance a week later was just further confirmation that the group has no interest in putting it on the line and responding for their coach.

the most frustrating thing is sitting here as a fan on a forum saying this but knowing that the morons who should be alert to this stuff and have the power to affect change, will sit on their hands for another 18 months before they contemplate doing something that might make their club play some winning football.

 

[rnabokov]

The best optimism I get get, even if false is to go to the Rumours threads

 

[vertigo]

I could probably endure another year like this if 2015 had us poaching Maguire or Bellamy and some gun players.

White needs to play hard ball from here on out.

 

[Porthoz]

I'd keep Hook around for 2014, no point getting rid of him for some scrub coach like Walters, Matterson & Dymock when they're not the answer.

I like Madge BUT not completely 100% sold on him just yet but definitely not going to rubbish the idea if we do sign him. I do think apart of his 'magic' is having the best forward (or there abouts) and best back in the game.

This is souffs we're talking about. It's Madge that has helped them turn a corner and become consistently solid.
I know having Inglis and Burgess helps a lot, but McGuire has a hell of a lot of merit.

 

[Bucking Beads]

At the very least we need a whole new coaching structure if we keep Hook next year. All new Assistan. A specialised coach for defence, attack/halves, wrestling as well.

 

[LittleDavey]

Yeah we don't even get in the wrestle. I fucking hate it, but we have to improve on it to stay competitive. We get dominated nearly every fucking tackle, our blokes are on their backs 80% of the time, where the opposition are on their backs 20% of the time. We've got to improve on it.

 

[Mister Wright]

Yeah we don't even get in the wrestle. I ****ing hate it, but we have to improve on it to stay competitive. We get dominated nearly every ****ing tackle, our blokes are on their backs 80% of the time, where the opposition are on their backs 20% of the time. We've got to improve on it.

73.2% of statistics are made up.

 

[Buzz Killington]

One statistic that is not made up is that we are the least penalised side in the competition and we sit right down near the bottom and the Roosters are the most and they are second. Sides that wrestle and slow the play down make it a lot easier for themselves because they can set their line and they take the juice out of the opposition forwards by making them fight to get up out of every tackle. We let sides make touch footy play-the-balls and sides regularly march 50+ metres down field against us, we have had this problem since Henjak and Hook has done absolutely nothing to fix it.