Shaun Metcalf back in NRL
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Well that was kind of the point I was making that no one seems to have disagreed with so far. What would have increased that guys chance of becoming a functional, contributing member of society?
a) Takes up an EPL contract.
b) Halfway house pathway.
I'm not talking about what they deserve, that is another matter in it's entiriety. I'm talking about the best way to help these guys make the transition from convict to fully functioning members of society, which, above all else, is the goal. Amiright?
a) Takes up an EPL contract.
b) Halfway house pathway.
I'm not talking about what they deserve, that is another matter in it's entiriety. I'm talking about the best way to help these guys make the transition from convict to fully functioning members of society, which, above all else, is the goal. Amiright?
But it's a bizarre and ridiculous view of life, m1c. When a child makes a mistake and you punish them, they might well still be angry. If you give them a big bowl of ice cream and let them watch their favourite TV show after coming out of prison, sure, they'll be happy...but what do they learn? Do the wrong thing, take your punishment, and then people bend over backwards to make you happy again.
It's ludicrous. It's REWARDING not just bad behaviour, but violent crimes. Wrong. Just wrong.
It's ludicrous. It's REWARDING not just bad behaviour, but violent crimes. Wrong. Just wrong.
I am confused!
What are we arguing about, seems to be going in different directions.
This guy should not be allowed a privileged life? Be it in ANY job?
Or.. This guy should be not be allowed the privileged life of an NRL footballer?
Coxy, what I was trying to say in my first point was not so much in relation to this case but moreso generally speaking I think it's quite easy to draw a line on what this guy did but I think in SOME circumstances (and I imagine rarely) it can be different.
He could be completely rehabilitated, or.. he couldnt. Do I know?? I don't. Do the Warriors? I sure fucking hope so. Are you worried about the image of the NRL? Or the fact that an unborn babybasher is getting a second chance at life?
To be perfectly honest, I don't know the answer to the question whether or not he should be allowed to have a second chance. A part of me says no he shouldnt- what he did was pretty fucked up. The other part of me believes that in some circumstances (note: some) he should be given a second chance. Be it remorse, righting his wrong etc etc
What are we arguing about, seems to be going in different directions.
This guy should not be allowed a privileged life? Be it in ANY job?
Or.. This guy should be not be allowed the privileged life of an NRL footballer?
Coxy, what I was trying to say in my first point was not so much in relation to this case but moreso generally speaking I think it's quite easy to draw a line on what this guy did but I think in SOME circumstances (and I imagine rarely) it can be different.
He could be completely rehabilitated, or.. he couldnt. Do I know?? I don't. Do the Warriors? I sure fucking hope so. Are you worried about the image of the NRL? Or the fact that an unborn babybasher is getting a second chance at life?
To be perfectly honest, I don't know the answer to the question whether or not he should be allowed to have a second chance. A part of me says no he shouldnt- what he did was pretty fucked up. The other part of me believes that in some circumstances (note: some) he should be given a second chance. Be it remorse, righting his wrong etc etc
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noone is rewarding this guy, theyre simply giving him what his skills make him qualified for.Coxy said:
he did his time in jail. yes, 5-6 months or whatever he did is an absolute joke for what he did, he shouldve been locked up for 20 years - but its what the courts decided his punishment was. he did the crime, he did the time, now hes moving on.
if he was looking to get into being a midwife then sure, he shouldnt be getting employed. but hes not - hes just looking at playing football. you dont make an NRL team because of living a privileged life, you make an NRL team by having the skills and talent required (or at least people in the know thinking you do).
My issue is the image of the NRL. Don't care what other job this guy gets, but it shouldn't be in the NRL.
And the bullshit about what a great message it sends to society about second chances, and keeping this guy out of future trouble...what an absolute joke.
There are some choices we make in life that should have consequences until the day we die. This is one of them. And one of those consequences should be an ineligibility to play NRL.
It doesn't matter a scrap to me that he has skills for league. Play park footy to have fun. Professional sports people are role models. You can hate that if you like, but it's a FACT. This guy doesn't deserve to be idolised by anybody. He's scum. Absolute scum. Reformed or not.
And the bullshit about what a great message it sends to society about second chances, and keeping this guy out of future trouble...what an absolute joke.
There are some choices we make in life that should have consequences until the day we die. This is one of them. And one of those consequences should be an ineligibility to play NRL.
It doesn't matter a scrap to me that he has skills for league. Play park footy to have fun. Professional sports people are role models. You can hate that if you like, but it's a FACT. This guy doesn't deserve to be idolised by anybody. He's scum. Absolute scum. Reformed or not.
Play NRL or any sport at the highest lvl like it or not you are on a postion to be a role model. Now not saying he will become one but more of an opportunity than you or me. And the message that goes with him playing; do something horrible and you still can play at the highest lvl while earning good money .... I'm not saying all footballers are angels far from it, but this guy is so far over that line IMO that the bottom of the barrel is a step up for him.
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A bullet to the skull is all metcalf deserves imo
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Aeetee said:
My point was more that being a stupid teenager now is not like being a stupid teenager 10-20 years ago.
Drugs in schools are up.
Smoking in schools is up.
Teenagers are engaging in sexual activitiies earlier.
Fights at school are filmed and posted on the Internet for the world to see.
I think the differing of opinions shown in this thread gives a pretty good idea of how things have changed anyway, and it you look at the posters, it's clearly a generational thing.
Also, I was under the impression he was jailed for 7 years, so my apologies. Still, if the justice system says he's rehabilitated, then fine let him out. If he ***** up again, just send him back.
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This goes beyond all that though. The NRL is nothing in scheme of things. The big picture is we want a functioning society whereby as many people as possible support themselves and are able to interact and contribute positively.
Your view is shortsighted and selfish.
So you're happy for a convicted attempted murderer to earn big bucks, live a lavish lifestyle, big house etc...while the bloke that's done no wrong is slaving away as a labourer or whatever and struggling to pay the bills?
Just because this guy can kick a footy, run and tackle shouldn't give him privileges above anyone else. His ability to commit a heinous crime negates his ability to play football. He has no right to use them for profit.
In fact, I would say any criminal has no right to earn more than an average wage. Anything earnt above that should go to their victims' families. For life.
Just because this guy can kick a footy, run and tackle shouldn't give him privileges above anyone else. His ability to commit a heinous crime negates his ability to play football. He has no right to use them for profit.
In fact, I would say any criminal has no right to earn more than an average wage. Anything earnt above that should go to their victims' families. For life.
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so in the end it comes down to how you think YOU might be perceived by others?mrslong said:
wow. just wow.Coxy said:
so you think that any professional sportsman should only be able to be a sportsman if they live an impeccably clean life overall? and as soon as they do something wrong they are banned from playing sports professionally?
like it or not, being a professional sportsman/woman is a job these days. its just like any other job. sure it has its perks, but so do most jobs. the perks for professional sport are just bigger than most, as only the very best in their field can get to where you get those perks.
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