Shaun Metcalf back in NRL

[m1c]

So you're happy for a convicted attempted murderer to earn big bucks, live a lavish lifestyle, big house etc...while the bloke that's done no wrong is slaving away as a labourer or whatever and struggling to pay the bills?

Just because this guy can kick a footy, run and tackle shouldn't give him privileges above anyone else. His ability to commit a heinous crime negates his ability to play football. He has no right to use them for profit.

In fact, I would say any criminal has no right to earn more than an average wage. Anything earnt above that should go to their victims' families. For life.

I can definitely understand how this is seen as unfair. However, that is life, you don't get a job on good will.

I've got no problems with convicted fellons returning to the workforce provided a) the subjects skills are benefitting society and b) his career is not in conflict with his crime.

Through Metcalf gaining respectable employment and increasing his socioeconomic status his chances of re-offending drop. You have not even even considered the potential generational flow on effect.

It's massive. Now he's out of the socioeconomic doldrums the chances of his children straying down the wrong path drop dramatically. His kids will have a better upbringing, they'll be more likely to seek higher education and will be less reliant on society for support. The end result? There's a few more people less likely to bash a pregnant lady. Society is better for it.

 

[Coxy]

I fundamentally disagree with your attitude, and it reeks of new age left wing social hippy loving bullshit.

And AP, you are absolutely retarded. I did not say they have to live an impeccably clean life. I said IF THEY COMMIT A HEINOUS CRIME, like this one, where he ends up in jail and could easily have killed both his ex and his child, that forfeits your rights to this kind of a life.

**** ya know what, no point arguing. But let's just assume for a moment that Shaun Metcalf bashed your girlfriend and left her for dead. Would you be happy to say "oh well, he's done his time in jail, I have no problem watching him on NRL and hey, might even pick him in my fantasy NRL team...choice!".

FFS. The lack of empathy you people display to the victims of this crime makes me physically ill.

 

[m1c]

There's no debating this guy is a scumbag though. Just like this isn't anything to do with empathy for the victim.

We'll leave at that, as you said we aren't going to agree.

FTR I think socialists are a lower breed than Metcalf. A socialist I definitely am not. icon_thumbs_u

 

[Anonymous person]

And AP, you are absolutely retarded. I did not say they have to live an impeccably clean life. I said IF THEY COMMIT A HEINOUS CRIME, like this one, where he ends up in jail and could easily have killed both his ex and his child, that forfeits your rights to this kind of a life.

**** ya know what, no point arguing. But let's just assume for a moment that Shaun Metcalf bashed your girlfriend and left her for dead. Would you be happy to say "oh well, he's done his time in jail, I have no problem watching him on NRL and hey, might even pick him in my fantasy NRL team...choice!".

so who decides what offences ban you from professional sports?

and if he bashed someone close to me id want him dead - but i wouldnt say that he cant play in the NRL after he gets out of jail because of it.

 

[mrslong]

This. My money goes to the NRL. When I wear my broncos hat people see that I'm a fan of the NRL. Don't want to be associated with scum like this.

so in the end it comes down to how you think YOU might be perceived by others?

No, that is nice twisting of my words though. Ever thought of a job with Fairfax or Channel 7?

 

[Porthoz]

Yeah, let's just bend the victims twice over by having the guy that bashed and attempted to kill them, be on the sports news and broadcasts, while earning plenty of money. [eusa_doh
Rehabilition is good, I totally support it, but not at the cost of the victims FFS. They're the ones that need and deserve to be looked after first!

If he does play in the NRL, I hope the other players bash him out of the game! :mad:

 

[Coxy]

If he does play in the NRL, I hope the other players bash him out of the game! :mad:

Amen. Wish bone him. Rip his hamstrings off the bone.

 

[Anonymous person]

This. My money goes to the NRL. When I wear my broncos hat people see that I'm a fan of the NRL. Don't want to be associated with scum like this.

so in the end it comes down to how you think YOU might be perceived by others?

No, that is nice twisting of my words though. Ever thought of a job with Fairfax or Channel 7?

i did no twisting whatsoever. NRL employs ex-con->you wear NRL gear->people think you support hiring ex-cons->you get upset

am i wrong in that train of thought? whichever way YOU want to twist what you said, it always comes back to you not wanting people thinking poorly of YOU.

and coxy, could we please keep the name calling to a minimum? i like you, we get on well in person, and i didnt think youd be stooping down to that level. i dont agree with your point of view so im having a discussion about it and putting my point of view forward. you dont agree with my point of view and youve so far called me "absolutely retarded" on 2 occasions, said ive got no morals, called me "utterly brainless", and a "dipshit numbskulls", while putting your point of view forward.

i suppose all it boils down to is that we view the NRL as different things.

I see it as sport for entertainment for the fans. you view it as a privilege that people who are now role models get to enjoy. i dont see NRL players as role models at all, nor do i think they should be for anyone. theyre just people who can play football well, getting paid to do so.

i probably dont understand because i dont have kids, right? [icon_razz1

 

[Coxy]

I see it as a significant marker for social standards. Because a huge proportion and cross section of society lives and breathes it.

As a result the NRL has a massive moral obligation to maintain high social standards.

Letting Metcalf play fails in that responsibility. Nobody can argue that. The only thing people can argue is that the NRL doesn't have any moral responsibility to society. You can have that opinion. But you're wrong.

 

[Nashy]

 

[mrslong]

[quote="Anonymous person":1qgkr84w]

This. My money goes to the NRL. When I wear my broncos hat people see that I'm a fan of the NRL. Don't want to be associated with scum like this.

so in the end it comes down to how you think YOU might be perceived by others?

No, that is nice twisting of my words though. Ever thought of a job with Fairfax or Channel 7?

i did no twisting whatsoever. NRL employs ex-con->you wear NRL gear->people think you support hiring ex-cons->you get upset

am i wrong in that train of thought? whichever way YOU want to twist what you said, it always comes back to you not wanting people thinking poorly of YOU.

i suppose all it boils down to is that we view the NRL as different things.

I see it as sport for entertainment for the fans. you view it as a privilege that people who are now role models get to enjoy. i dont see NRL players as role models at all, nor do i think they should be for anyone. theyre just people who can play football well, getting paid to do so.

i probably dont understand because i dont have kids, right? [icon_razz1[/quote:1qgkr84w]
I don't care what people think of me but I don't want to be associated with thugs, i don't know if that makes sense or not, but it's 2 different things....I do care what I think of myself and I DO care where my money goes (which I actually have lots of because I don't have kids [icon_evillaugh )

 

[Nashy]

You've been supporting Rugby League since Tina Turner converted you. But you choose now, over 20 odd years on to finally decide you don't want to support thugs?

League is full of them.

Yes, this is a horrible crime, yes he's done prison time, yes he knew what he did was wrong, yes he was old enough to know at the time, blah blah blah blah blah.

But the fact that no one is willing to allow him to have a second chance is truly pathetic.

errr he shouldn't be a footballer... errrr. He's a fucking footballer. It's what he knows how to do. It's what he's good at.

If Coxy got out of prison for my scenario, he would want to be what he's good at, and what he knows how to do. Not something else just because a few people decided that something he did should shap him for the rest of his life.

He has to live with what he did. He has to live with people calling him scum. Let him do what he wants.

If you don't want to support him, then go right ahead, I'm sure he doesn't give a ****. Why? Because he's getting HIS life back on track. And if you allow yourselves to get that caught up in someone else's personal life, then that is more pathetic than anyone giving someone another chance to show they have turned over a new leaf.


I've got a mate who's been to prison. He was in with the wrong people. Went to jail, got out, and got his life on track. He proved he could work, he proved he could be part of society. And you know what? He is the nicest person I have ever met. I would trust him more than I trust most of my mates who haven't been in prison for a pretty bad crime.

But based on what you guys are saying. I should forget him, more on, hope he snaps his neck, hope he can't get a job, hope he has to clean up piss and vomit, think he's scum etc. etc.

He knows what he did was wrong. He knew at the time. He lost 4 years of his life, and is truly sorry that he did it. He's shown he should be apart of society again. And from what I've been told, even the person he hurt has accepted that fact. Doesn't like him for what he did, but is happy that he can see he has changed as a person, and is not the person that he used to be.

 

[Jeba]

AP - how many times have you given Karmichael Hunt and Sam Thaiday a spray for the Alambhra incident since it happened? Numerous occasions that I can recall, even after they were punished by the Broncos in the form of a $20,000 fine. So you certainly weren't happy that they were allowed to continue playing for the Broncos, yet you have no problem with giving a convicted attempted murderer a go at the Warriors.

Whether that's just your Hunt/Thaiday agenda, or just your plain stupidity, or a combination of both, I'll leave for the viewers to decide!!

 

[Browny]

Let him earn the money so the victim can get it via criminal compensation

 

[Nashy]

It's her fault for not being on the pill.



































Here fishy fishy

 

[Porthoz]

It's her fault for not being on the pill.

I agree. And who cares for the victims anyway?
They're really not important in the grand scheme of rehabilitation for those poor, poor criminals... The woman and her child can always change channels when the guy that attempted to murder them is on TV. They can always throw away the newspaper or burn it, if some journo decides to hail his on field heroics.
Fark them if they like RL and the Warriors and used to love to watch them play, the crim has to have the right to get back to society!
The best really would be if he had succeeded and they were dead, so no one had to even think about their suffering!









Yes, I saw the bait

 

[Nashy]

Yeah they can. If he does well on the field, he deserves praise.

 

[Anonymous person]

AP - how many times have you given Karmichael Hunt and Sam Thaiday a spray for the Alambhra incident since it happened? Numerous occasions that I can recall, even after they were punished by the Broncos in the form of a $20,000 fine. So you certainly weren't happy that they were allowed to continue playing for the Broncos, yet you have no problem with giving a convicted attempted murderer a go at the Warriors.

Whether that's just your Hunt/Thaiday agenda, or just your plain stupidity, or a combination of both, I'll leave for the viewers to decide!!

that affected the team that i support.

i dont CARE that they had a gangbang in the toilets, thats up to them. i just thought it was really, really gay. and yes i most certainly did "give them a spray" for it. doesnt mean i care. i didnt go home and cry myself to sleep because my idol turned out to be just another meathead preying on loose women. i had a laugh because it was a stupid scenario that they shouldnt have been in - much like how i think what Metcalf did a terrible thing.

and in both cases, unless it affects the football then its not my problem. the Thaiday/Hunt thing DID affect the football. our team was falling apart from the inside. i wasnt happy that they were allowed to play in a semi final, or whatever it was, the weekend after it happened, while there was a police investigation going on. that disrupted our team.

theres a difference between giving players some stick for having a devils threesome in a disabled toilet, and saying a player should never be allowed to play professional sport again after 6 years after being released from jail.

but, like always, i dont expect someone like you to be able to comprehend that.