Storm for Wooden Spoon - Betting Suspended

[Dexter]

Not disagreeing here ning (it's just an unknown) but how can you lose points to a side that everyone knows is over the cap?

 

[gUt]

everyone join the "Brian Waldron you are a disgrace" FB page


PS - I take back every good thing I have ever said or thought about that man, I sure got that one wrong

Typical AFL man [icon_lol1.

 

[ningnangnong]

Not disagreeing here ning (it's just an unknown) but how can you lose points to a side that everyone knows is over the cap?

Nah mate, that's a fair enough point. I've got no answer to it, but there would just be no point having the Storm in the comp for the rest of the season if everyone's automatically going to get two points regardless of the result. Not that there's much point anyway, seeing as they can't gain any points.

Glad I'm not the one making all these decisions! :mrgreen:

 

[Twiztid]

Nah mate, that's a fair enough point. I've got no answer to it, but there would just be no point having the Storm in the comp for the rest of the season if everyone's automatically going to get two points regardless of the result. Not that there's much point anyway, seeing as they can't gain any points.

Is this true? I thought the team still has to beat the Storm. It is just that if the Storm win they do not get any points.

 

[schmix]

The cynic in my head has a few nasty little thoughts. News Ltd owns the game and owns the Storm. The Storm is a project that they have invested a lot of money in trying to ensure success, obviously to grow the game in Melbourne and I guess to eventually see the club turn a profit. The best way to try to gain success in this game is to win premierships. Everyone says that the Storm club loses money. So how can News Ltd extract themselves from this bad venture without suffering the bad PR of just walking away?

I mean, a company like News Ltd doesn't fk around. The cynic in me says they knew a lot more about this than they are claiming.

If that's the case then the CEO of News Ltd is one hell of an actor. He looked sicker than Gallop in the interview I saw.

I'm inclined to believe they had no idea, but I'm not naive enough to be sure about it.

 

[Dexter]

Yeah I don't think the NRL have got it right with regards to the rest of the year. They should be given the chance to get back within the rules and start from scratch.

If any of the players or coach are found to be aware of the scheme will they be allowed to be involved in rep footy?

 

[lynx000]

One issue no one else has raised, is how is it fair for the other teams to play the Storm and risk losing two competition points if the Storm have a team that is $700,000 over the salary cap this year. Surely they should be forced to get rid of 2 or 3 players immediately to bring them under the cap for this season. How would you feel if brisbane miss the 8 because we get beaten by the storm with their full squad? Why not give those players to Cronulla to try and strengthen them (with Melbourne having to pay their contracts for this year).

 

[ningnangnong]

Nah mate, that's a fair enough point. I've got no answer to it, but there would just be no point having the Storm in the comp for the rest of the season if everyone's automatically going to get two points regardless of the result. Not that there's much point anyway, seeing as they can't gain any points.

Is this true? I thought the team still has to beat the Storm. It is just that if the Storm win they do not get any points.

You still have to beat the Storm to get two points! I was just using that outcome as an example.

 

[Donny]

You cant have teams automatically getting 2 points otherwise they will just use the week as a week off for key players.

Jeff Lima to the Riaders and Tolman to the Bulldogs

Looks like we wont get Tolma or Blair, looks like Hannant must be going.

 

[Nashy]

f#$% some of you guys are dense.

lets have a look at some salary cap infringements by a certain team we all love, then decide if the punishment Melbourne received is fair or not.

1. Broncos, 2001, $118,314 over the cap. Included an undisclosed payment of $50,000.
2. Broncos, 2002, $115,067 over the cap. Fully disclosed.
3. Broncos, 2003, Undisclosed guarantee to player via 3rd Party Entity
4. Broncos, 2006, Unapproved TPA
5. Broncos, 2007, Unapproved TPA
6. Broncos, 2009, Playing an Unregistered Player. No contract or Registration. Rnd 1 and Rnd 6

all up ~$200 000 in fines were handed out to the Broncos for salary cap breaches. since 2000 there have only been 4 years where the broncos did NOT breach the salary cap!

now correct me if im wrong, but didnt something pretty significant happen with the Broncos in 2006? hmmm what was it......oh thats right, we won the premiership! so if we are all to agree with stripping melbourne of their premierships then surely we would all agree that the broncos should be stripped of their 2006 title, correct?

also, melbourne knocked up out in 2007 with their salary cap breaching team......but we were also breaching the salary cap. we'll call that one even. 2009, same thing - salary cap breaching melbourne knock the salary cap breaching broncos out. we'll call that one even too hey?

if that doesnt show you that the Storm have been treated unfairly, youre biased - plain and simple.

i dont think theres any coming back from this for the storm, the NRL has just handed them a death sentence.
- noone will want to sponsor the storm, and expect all of their current sponsors for this season to pull out over the next week.
- their fans will leave in droves. their new stadium will be lucky to get 2000 people to it on its opening game.
- say goodbye to season members, and say hello to refunds or court action from the members.
- say goodbye to the players. there is the possibility that they might 'rally' and want to stick together, but geez......$700k over this year apparently, and thats with a team with 7 or 8 'nobodies'. they must also be pretty disillusioned with the club at the moment.
- the melbourne storm have been in financial distress for years, only being kept afloat by handouts from the NRL and News Limited. they will not be getting these handouts anymore, thats for certain.

so unfortunately its goodbye Melbourne Storm IMO.

You have got to be the biggest cockhead on these forums. Why do you even bother referring to the Broncos as "we", like you're actually a fan.

Someone with half a brain can see that the small breaches that happen at most clubs are absolutely nothing compared to what the Storm have done.

Deadset, just **** off, have a little cry because the team that you've supported for however many years has cheated you into thinking they are Gods gift to footy, when in reality, they are nothing but dirty scumbag cheaters.

The fact that you pretend to be a Broncos fan is fucking pathetic and just downright laughable.

 

[Russo]

The possibilities that this opens up to gambling rorting this season is immense, why will the Storm players back up after Test matches (good for us) or Origin games and risk injury. Not a lot to play for and risk injury etc is there.

Wonder if the players will be getting their premiership tattoos removed [icon_wink

I would also assume that they will get the World Club Championship taken off them in due course.

Some very interesting days ahead with a lot more to be revealed no doubt over the next few days / weeks.

 

[Charmamba]

f#$% some of you guys are dense.

lets have a look at some salary cap infringements by a certain team we all love, then decide if the punishment Melbourne received is fair or not.

1. Broncos, 2001, $118,314 over the cap. Included an undisclosed payment of $50,000.
2. Broncos, 2002, $115,067 over the cap. Fully disclosed.
3. Broncos, 2003, Undisclosed guarantee to player via 3rd Party Entity
4. Broncos, 2006, Unapproved TPA
5. Broncos, 2007, Unapproved TPA
6. Broncos, 2009, Playing an Unregistered Player. No contract or Registration. Rnd 1 and Rnd 6

all up ~$200 000 in fines were handed out to the Broncos for salary cap breaches. since 2000 there have only been 4 years where the broncos did NOT breach the salary cap!

now correct me if im wrong, but didnt something pretty significant happen with the Broncos in 2006? hmmm what was it......oh thats right, we won the premiership! so if we are all to agree with stripping melbourne of their premierships then surely we would all agree that the broncos should be stripped of their 2006 title, correct?

also, melbourne knocked up out in 2007 with their salary cap breaching team......but we were also breaching the salary cap. we'll call that one even. 2009, same thing - salary cap breaching melbourne knock the salary cap breaching broncos out. we'll call that one even too hey?

if that doesnt show you that the Storm have been treated unfairly, youre biased - plain and simple.

i dont think theres any coming back from this for the storm, the NRL has just handed them a death sentence.
- noone will want to sponsor the storm, and expect all of their current sponsors for this season to pull out over the next week.
- their fans will leave in droves. their new stadium will be lucky to get 2000 people to it on its opening game.
- say goodbye to season members, and say hello to refunds or court action from the members.
- say goodbye to the players. there is the possibility that they might 'rally' and want to stick together, but geez......$700k over this year apparently, and thats with a team with 7 or 8 'nobodies'. they must also be pretty disillusioned with the club at the moment.
- the melbourne storm have been in financial distress for years, only being kept afloat by handouts from the NRL and News Limited. they will not be getting these handouts anymore, thats for certain.

so unfortunately its goodbye Melbourne Storm IMO.

You have got to be the biggest cockhead on these forums. Why do you even bother referring to the Broncos as "we", like you're actually a fan.

Someone with half a brain can see that the small breaches that happen at most clubs are absolutely nothing compared to what the Storm have done.

Deadset, just **** off, have a little cry because the team that you've supported for however many years has cheated you into thinking they are Gods gift to footy, when in reality, they are nothing but dirty scumbag cheaters.

The fact that you pretend to be a Broncos fan is **** pathetic and just downright laughable.

+1 It seriously gets old after awhile.

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

lol@Bellemy & players he didn't know it was happening.

Hello, where did you think the extra money was coming from.

I am going back to enjoy the rest of my Thailand holiday.

Deadset, you lot are quick to blame the players.

Phil gould pointed this out, ill try and make it easy for u nimrods to understand.

WHY THE **** WOULD A PLAYER QUESTION SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH THE STORM, AND ALSO SIGNING ONE WITH A 3RD PARTY COMPANY?!

Its in the rules of the cap. They wouldve assumed that the administration was reporting all the deals to the nrl. As far as they knew they were just getting a 3rd party deal. Do you fuckwits really think the admin said "heres 1 contract sign it, heres another, this one will put us over the cap but dont tell anyone". The thought process of most of you is astounding.

[quote="Big Pete":bqg7zze5]I hope the Storm fans rally to be honest.

Come out, cheer their team on and tell the media to shove this death BS up their ass.

I agree, giving up on the club is wrong it is the administration that has Farked everything up. I expect AP and QUEENSLANDER to fly down to Melbourne for the game on Sunday![/quote:bqg7zze5]

Again with the attack on me. You really must have a man crush on me or something because u talk about me every chance u get. I have no problem with the nrl cracking down on the storm. They cheated fair and square. I do however have a problem with them losing the titles. A lot of ppl disagree with this, not just me. A fairer punishment would be to fine the club, prosecute those involved, and reduce their cap for the next few years. This punishes the club, but does not punish the innocent ppl in this, the coaching staff and the players.

 

[Kimlo]

Interesting Russo.

A point which hasn't been raised.
If Cameron Smith is found to have ANY knowledge of this surely he can no longer be the Australian Vice Captain? Right??

Hopefully this means we flog the Storm when we play them knowing we were cheated should inspire us not that Storm will play seriously, or will they?

 

[Kimlo]

lol@Bellemy & players he didn't know it was happening.

Hello, where did you think the extra money was coming from.

I am going back to enjoy the rest of my Thailand holiday.

Deadset, you lot are quick to blame the players.

Phil gould pointed this out, ill try and make it easy for u nimrods to understand.

WHY THE **** WOULD A PLAYER QUESTION SIGNING A CONTRACT WITH THE STORM, AND ALSO SIGNING ONE WITH A 3RD PARTY COMPANY?!

Its in the rules of the cap. They wouldve assumed that the administration was reporting all the deals to the nrl. As far as they knew they were just getting a 3rd party deal. Do you **** really think the admin said "heres 1 contract sign it, heres another, this one will put us over the cap but dont tell anyone". The thought process of most of you is astounding.

[quote="Big Pete":30e7t7cv]I hope the Storm fans rally to be honest.

Come out, cheer their team on and tell the media to shove this death BS up their ass.

I agree, giving up on the club is wrong it is the administration that has Farked everything up. I expect AP and QUEENSLANDER to fly down to Melbourne for the game on Sunday!

Again with the attack on me. You really must have a man crush on me or something because u talk about me every chance u get. I have no problem with the nrl cracking down on the storm. They cheated fair and square. I do however have a problem with them losing the titles. A lot of ppl disagree with this, not just me. A fairer punishment would be to fine the club, prosecute those involved, and reduce their cap for the next few years. This punishes the club, but does not punish the innocent ppl in this, the coaching staff and the players.[/quote:30e7t7cv]
How do we know the coaching staff don't know anything?
The football manager was stood down the coach and the football manager would obviously work together very closely. I seriously doubt Bellamy didn't know about this.

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

So lets just jump on them immediately and say they knew then, saying that any player signing 2 contracts is stupid? There is no logic behind the players knowing, the less ppl that knew, the better for them to get away with it.

Obviously there is a chance some of the higher profile players knew, but from all evidence so far, no-one coaching staff or players knew, and until proven otherwise i think u guys can stick to hating the storm for the real reasons, not making up new ones. Uve got enough ammo as it is!

 

[Kimlo]

I believe SOME players knew but only a very select few 90% would of had no idea, maybe 2-3 players.

If my employer tells me here's a 5k bonus I say thank you very much not how can you afford to give me this much money lol.

 

[QUEENSLANDER]

Thats exactly right though. Why would they question it? They would assume the club was being honest. If they got a 3rd party deal, they would assume it was being reported. I highly doubt any of the players knew