NEWS The salary-cap proposal that could revolutionise the game

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Source: Sydney Morning Herald

By Adrian Proszenko

April 13, 2022 — 5.31am
Adrian Proszenko


The Sydney Roosters would be considered a development club and be rewarded with salary-cap relief under a radical proposal that promotes the blooding of more rookies – and less player churn – across the game.

The initiative is the brainchild of Ramy Haidar, a sports management consultant who previously worked with Manly coach Des Hasler. Haidar has pitched his “Net Supply Allowance” idea to the NRL and some of its most powerful clubs. The paper has received positive feedback from clubland and comes at a time when head office is considering new ways to reward development clubs ahead of collective bargaining discussions with the players’ union. Under the proposal, clubs are rewarded for blooding debutants rather than signing players who have established themselves at NRL rivals.

Sides are rewarded with salary-cap relief according to a “team purity score”, a metric that is derived by comparing the total number of club appearances against total NRL appearances, showing what proportion of a side’s experience was played in its team colours. In 2021 for instance, Newcastle had 1824 games of experience across their roster, but only 755 of those caps made their debut for the Knights. More broadly, over the past decade the Roosters have blooded 45 rookies and bought just 38 established first-graders from other clubs, to provide a surplus of seven. As a means of comparison, the Sharks have debuted 34 while importing 55 players over the same period.

Under Haidar’s matrix, teams would receive $50,000 for each player supplied in surplus, meaning the Roosters would be entitled to cap relief averaging $100,000 per season – the most of the 16 clubs – between 2012-2021. The Dragons, meanwhile, would receive only $15,000 after notching the lowest “Net Player Supply” score over the corresponding period. “Unsurprisingly, the main gripe amongst fans is also the high quantity of player transfers,” Haidar’s document states. “When new recruits enter a roster, that team’s identity gets somewhat diluted. As clubs shuffle through more imported talent, their rosters become just one generic blend of footballers …


Sam Walker, right, and Joseph Suaalii would be considered Roosters rookies under the proposal.

Sam Walker, right, and Joseph Suaalii would be considered Roosters rookies under the proposal. Credit:Getty

“Concerningly, seven out of the 16 clubs had a team purity below 50 per cent in season 2021. The overall NRL average was just 58.4 per cent reflecting exactly how often players are shuffling from one club to another. The unintended consequence of this is diminished opportunities for new talent to debut. Imported players fill roster spots and often take selection priority.

Clearly, too many teams develop too few of their own. They lack the organic flavour that fans crave, making it difficult to sell the team as authentic.”
Haidar declined to comment when contacted by the Herald.
Under his plan, a player does not have to be a local junior to be defined as a rookie. For instance, Sam Walker and Joseph Suaalii would count as Roosters rookies because they made their first-grade debut for the Tricolours, despite spending time in other junior systems. It’s why clubs such as the Roosters and the Storm, with only a small catchment of local juniors, aren’t disadvantaged. Like the other sides, they would be incentivised to promote those already within their system rather than simply buying over the top of them.

Modelling off the past decade reveals the entire strategy would have cost only an additional $49,687 per club, a relatively small price to pay to promote from within and slow the constant churn of players across the competition.

“The root source of team identity is the blooding of rookies,” the document states. “So, when teams recruit high quantities of players, they inadvertently block pathways for their internal rookies. It is an unintended consequence but has long-term implications on the purity of their roster …

“Across the last decade, 766 existing first-graders were recruited. Yet in the same period only 666 rookies were debuted. The deficit of 100, indicative of a dependent culture whereby some clubs prefer to import the finished product rather than offer opportunities to their own … Ultimately, the selection of debutants benefits the entire NRL regardless of their origin.”
 
Yeh I read this this morning and thought it was very close to what has been suggested by a number of us on here.

Perhaps with his Sydney 'connections' it might have a bit more legs than we imagine.

If it was to be seriously considered the Broncos would need to implement a wide ranging review of our current junior setup and ensure we have a better talent identification structure/program as well as financial (albeit) minimal incentive framework to help ensure the long term commitment of our juniors. Perhaps some of the agreed credit we receive off of the cap for 'blooding' a junior in first grade could be made to the player as a one off cash bonus to recognize their persistence.

I would also hope this cap reduction would be reoccurring on an annual basis provided the player played a set amount of games for us in a season and would culminate in a further 'bonus' should that player reach 100 games of first grade.
 
Haidar has clearly got a few roos loose in the top paddock.
 
Haidar has clearly got a few roos loose in the top paddock.

Why? The reality is, if you are ever going to get something like this off the ground, it will never happen unless it benefits for the Roosters as well, Politis bankrolls the game.
 
That should be started at 17 **** bags and yeah I see a major flaw what @GKDonkey said
 
Why? The reality is, if you are ever going to get something like this off the ground, it will never happen unless it benefits for the Roosters as well, Politis bankrolls the game.
It literally changes nothing of what you have been whinging about and if anything makes it worse... E.g. Walsh now benefits the Warriors etc. Advantages clubs stealing players at 18-20. What's the point? If it counted it as players developed for something like at least 2 years or so before a debut, it would probably be a little better.
 
It literally changes nothing of what you have been whinging about and if anything makes it worse... E.g. Walsh now benefits the Warriors etc. Advantages clubs stealing players at 18-20. What's the point? If it counted it as players developed for something like at least 2 years or so before a debut, it would probably be a little better.
Could easily change it so it's not by debut, but by first NRL contract. We sign a kid on an NRL contract, like Walsh, he's counted as a Bronco for cap purposes.
 
It's at least a discussion, the current system is fucked and benefits the successful teams only, teams on the bottom have an incredibly tough time signing anyone, or even keeping their juniors.
Yeah currently it’s shocking, nhl nailed their system where as you own the rights to that player until 25 if you draft them, if a player doesn’t want to be there they have to be traded so in the end you don’t lose out as a club.

problem is, they have a draft, I really do believe it’s the only way forward. Clubs who have great scouts and development systems after they are drafted always seem to stay relative.

I don’t actually have an answer, just showing you how (I think) a successful system is run.
 
I like the idea, but there is no way you could consider both Sam Walker and Joseph Suali as Rooster development players.
 
I like the idea, but there is no way you could consider both Sam Walker and Joseph Suali as Rooster development players.
That’s just it, the system isn’t even in and they are already pulling bullshit 😂
 
The flaw I can see is clubs could just debut young players for the sake of that relief, just so they are their rookies? Or am I being stupid?
They'd need to play a certain number of games though. So if they were shit juniors the team would suffer.
 
That’s just it, the system isn’t even in and they are already pulling bullshit 😂
If there was some rule, where if the player is developed in your system and debuts for you, you get the full amount, but if a player is developed by you (let's say Broncos) but debuts for someone else (let's say Roosters) it is a 50-50 split for both clubs until that player goes to another club. The system has merit, but it needs to reward 'actual' development clubs, not just clubs who are good at pulling juniors out of systems like Roosters and Storm.
 
This is the point though, this starts a discussion. You sure as heck don't keep it at the point it is currently proposed but to get it off the ground, at its initial stages, you have to get the Roosters to buy in. I also have less issue with Walker being counted as a Roosters' junior by the way, far more so than Suaalii.
 

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