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Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up
Not necessarily disagreeing Charmamba as I would like to see how Barba goes under a different coach but at what point does the responsibility and professionalism of the player play a part? He's been in very indifferent form this year to the point I'm convinced if his name wasn't Ben Barba, the majority of posters here would have had the pitchforks and flaming torches ready months ago.
On another note, Darius Boyd copping **** left and right in several threads is a bit puzzling. Fair enough if people think that Barba and Milford are more talented but I'd rather a less-talented guy doing the job the majority of the time than a flashy player turning it on once in a blue moon.
Does anyone have a link that proves the theory that Boyd won't play anywhere but fullback? I find it hard to believe. He played on the wing for years at the Broncos and was happy playing second fiddle to Karmichael Hunt. I think he'd be ok doing the same with Barba or Milford. He also plays there consistently every year for Queensland. Mal wouldn't tolerate guys who like to throw their toys out of the cot if they don't get their own way for 8 years. He seems to be a guy who always puts the team he's playing in first. The other thing I like about Boyd is that he seems to hate losing. Far too many players in our current squad seem too think close enough is good enough. It wouldn't wash with Boyd. If we are lucky enough to secure him he'll give exactly the sort of attitude we need to build a successful team around.
Boyd isn't a threat to your precious Barba and Milford and I think the positive qualities he'd bring far outweigh the negatives. Really hope the speculation is true. At the very least, it'd be good for our depth.
Not necessarily disagreeing Charmamba as I would like to see how Barba goes under a different coach but at what point does the responsibility and professionalism of the player play a part? He's been in very indifferent form this year to the point I'm convinced if his name wasn't Ben Barba, the majority of posters here would have had the pitchforks and flaming torches ready months ago.
On another note, Darius Boyd copping **** left and right in several threads is a bit puzzling. Fair enough if people think that Barba and Milford are more talented but I'd rather a less-talented guy doing the job the majority of the time than a flashy player turning it on once in a blue moon.
Does anyone have a link that proves the theory that Boyd won't play anywhere but fullback? I find it hard to believe. He played on the wing for years at the Broncos and was happy playing second fiddle to Karmichael Hunt. I think he'd be ok doing the same with Barba or Milford. He also plays there consistently every year for Queensland. Mal wouldn't tolerate guys who like to throw their toys out of the cot if they don't get their own way for 8 years. He seems to be a guy who always puts the team he's playing in first. The other thing I like about Boyd is that he seems to hate losing. Far too many players in our current squad seem too think close enough is good enough. It wouldn't wash with Boyd. If we are lucky enough to secure him he'll give exactly the sort of attitude we need to build a successful team around.
Boyd isn't a threat to your precious Barba and Milford and I think the positive qualities he'd bring far outweigh the negatives. Really hope the speculation is true. At the very least, it'd be good for our depth.
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Boyd is a threat to one of Barba, Milf or Hunt due to the fact the league has a salary cap.
On the part about Barba and his form this year, it's down on what we expect from him yes but as has been said this isn't the same team that made him a star in 2012. We don't run a gameplan to suit him or his talents and that has an impact on how a player performs, is it the fault of Barba for not adjusting? yeah a little bit but natural talent is what it is and the coach also needs to make the most of it.
Boyd is a threat to one of Barba, Milf or Hunt due to the fact the league has a salary cap.
On the part about Barba and his form this year, it's down on what we expect from him yes but as has been said this isn't the same team that made him a star in 2012. We don't run a gameplan to suit him or his talents and that has an impact on how a player performs, is it the fault of Barba for not adjusting? yeah a little bit but natural talent is what it is and the coach also needs to make the most of it.
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Bennett has sucked in two of his three years at Newie. Don forget Knights started second favourite to win in 2012. 2014 has sucked and honestly they were shit before McKinnon tragedy so it's a half excuse at best.
Last year they made third week of finals but were never a danger of winning. It'd be like us if we somehow make finals this year and get lucky the first two weeks. Better than expected but still nowhere close.
That said if all WB can do is win premierships with stars then sign me up. Next year that's what we will have and it's more than some coaches can manage.
Bennett has sucked in two of his three years at Newie. Don forget Knights started second favourite to win in 2012. 2014 has sucked and honestly they were shit before McKinnon tragedy so it's a half excuse at best.
Last year they made third week of finals but were never a danger of winning. It'd be like us if we somehow make finals this year and get lucky the first two weeks. Better than expected but still nowhere close.
That said if all WB can do is win premierships with stars then sign me up. Next year that's what we will have and it's more than some coaches can manage.
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The logic is fairly clear, you mentioned barba needs to get his hands on the ball more. Well playing full back will give him an average of 18-24 carries back at the defence each game. Where as playing at 6 in the fornt line he may touch it a dozen's time maximum during the game. To make matters worst he will be faced with a structured defensive line rather than a potential lazy kick chase. I am also concerned he will position himself solely on one side of the field rahter than play the floating game he did at the bulldogs which was so successful.
I agree that parker passess the ball, but our pack doesnt have the same punch to push through the front line the bulldogs did, which made barba look like a freak. There is no doubt he has skills but he wont get back to the form he did a few years back and playing in the front line wont help that.
The logic is fairly clear, you mentioned barba needs to get his hands on the ball more. Well playing full back will give him an average of 18-24 carries back at the defence each game. Where as playing at 6 in the fornt line he may touch it a dozen's time maximum during the game. To make matters worst he will be faced with a structured defensive line rather than a potential lazy kick chase. I am also concerned he will position himself solely on one side of the field rahter than play the floating game he did at the bulldogs which was so successful.
I agree that parker passess the ball, but our pack doesnt have the same punch to push through the front line the bulldogs did, which made barba look like a freak. There is no doubt he has skills but he wont get back to the form he did a few years back and playing in the front line wont help that.
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If you feel that our opinion is incorrect, how about you actually argue it with your opinion instead of all these little stabs?
You completely missed the nail the first time, QUEENSLANDER and I explained what I meant, and you simply ignored it, so you could make yet another sarcastic post without any actual relevant content.
P.S. Unless this also was a joke, at which point I feel obliged to tell you that sarcasm is not irony, and is most often the lowest form of wit. :thefinger:
I haven't seen you address any of those points, besides the obvious attempts at sarcasm, that is...
If you feel that our opinion is incorrect, how about you actually argue it with your opinion instead of all these little stabs?
You completely missed the nail the first time, QUEENSLANDER and I explained what I meant, and you simply ignored it, so you could make yet another sarcastic post without any actual relevant content.
P.S. Unless this also was a joke, at which point I feel obliged to tell you that sarcasm is not irony, and is most often the lowest form of wit. :thefinger:
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What our forward pack will look and more importantly, will play like next season is a question mark, but if there is one thing that WB generally does well, is getting a forward pack to play well and dominate the ruck, which of course will benefit Barba.
He may not reach the heights of 2012, but he is certainly a much better option at 5/8 than anyone else bar Milford, so one of those should stay at FB, the other 5/8, Hoffman to the wing, and Boyd left right out, thanks...
Your premise that a full back will get the ball more often than a 5/8 is an interesting one, albeit completely incorrect.
What our forward pack will look and more importantly, will play like next season is a question mark, but if there is one thing that WB generally does well, is getting a forward pack to play well and dominate the ruck, which of course will benefit Barba.
He may not reach the heights of 2012, but he is certainly a much better option at 5/8 than anyone else bar Milford, so one of those should stay at FB, the other 5/8, Hoffman to the wing, and Boyd left right out, thanks...
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also lol at someone saying fullback gets more ball than 5/8th lol.
This leads me to believe you havent actually watched Darius Boyd play while at Newcastle. He has been absolutely terrible this year, up there with the worst in the league. He has literally turned and run away from bombs on not one but a few occasions lol. His 3 years at Newcastle have been below average at best.
also lol at someone saying fullback gets more ball than 5/8th lol.
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Re: Wayne Bennet's 2015 Team Line Up
Darius started the year terribly but ever since the Origin period he's easily been their best player.
Wests & Parramatta in particular were stand out games. I thought he out-played Hayne in the Parra game, and Hayne was on that day and for my money, he's the form fullback in the world right now.
Darius started the year terribly but ever since the Origin period he's easily been their best player.
Wests & Parramatta in particular were stand out games. I thought he out-played Hayne in the Parra game, and Hayne was on that day and for my money, he's the form fullback in the world right now.
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Haven't seen every game during his tenure but by and large I think he's been going ok. This year he has certainly struggled at times. I read somewhere he was one of the players that weren't getting paid. Obviously that would have an effect on his form. As Big Pete said, his form post Origin has been much improved and he easily got the better of Hayne, a more highly fancied opponent.
Bottom line for me though, I'd rather Boyd from 2009-10 than Barba from 2012 form. That's just my opinion.
Haven't seen every game during his tenure but by and large I think he's been going ok. This year he has certainly struggled at times. I read somewhere he was one of the players that weren't getting paid. Obviously that would have an effect on his form. As Big Pete said, his form post Origin has been much improved and he easily got the better of Hayne, a more highly fancied opponent.
Bottom line for me though, I'd rather Boyd from 2009-10 than Barba from 2012 form. That's just my opinion.
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I both agree and disagree with your points.
In terms of his positioning on the left and right, from memory, I have seen Barba play on both sides this year. Once, on the right, he set up Gillett sweetly, and on the left, v Manly Round 12 for example, he kicked to the left, and I have seen him position himself there as well.
However, that was when he played FB, so I can't comment on how he and Hunt will, or won't share sides, or even play the traditional 7 > 6 on the same side - a tactic which I think can work so well.
I can't see your logic when you say "There is no doubt he has skills but he wont get back to the form he did a few years back and playing in the front line wont help that." Why shouldn't he get back to 2012 form if he has the skills? Logically, there is no reason why he shouldn't.
Practically, there is if he is starved of the ball, has a permanent injury, or he has given up the ghost. For mine, we are yet to see the best of the Bronco Barba.
From what I have seen of Barba this year, his best work is when he has been just behind, then up in the line. Some of his short kicks have led to tries or repeat sets, he has put runners into holes, and he always keeps the defence guessing when he has the ball which is exactly what we need, and is the hall mark of a class play maker.
I agree that his running game as FB is an entirely different ball game so to speak here, than at the Dogs, given the different game plan based on the bigger forwards the Dogs had and have. Clearly, separate to Barba's ankle injury and adjustments he needed to make transitioning to a new club, it was nigh on impossible for the Barba of 2012 to replicate that FB running game at the Broncos, which is why I feel his best, and only position here is at 5/8.
As for his performance as a half, I think his footwork, ability to read the play and excellent kicking game (see Rd. 12 v Manly as one example) will help to de-structure any defensive line he faces, provided our game plan has the proper shape: depth, width, support play and quality ball.
Time will tell, starting this week in particular against a very good structured defence, although I still maintain that Manly's edge defence can be very brittle under sustained pressure.
I both agree and disagree with your points.
In terms of his positioning on the left and right, from memory, I have seen Barba play on both sides this year. Once, on the right, he set up Gillett sweetly, and on the left, v Manly Round 12 for example, he kicked to the left, and I have seen him position himself there as well.
However, that was when he played FB, so I can't comment on how he and Hunt will, or won't share sides, or even play the traditional 7 > 6 on the same side - a tactic which I think can work so well.
I can't see your logic when you say "There is no doubt he has skills but he wont get back to the form he did a few years back and playing in the front line wont help that." Why shouldn't he get back to 2012 form if he has the skills? Logically, there is no reason why he shouldn't.
Practically, there is if he is starved of the ball, has a permanent injury, or he has given up the ghost. For mine, we are yet to see the best of the Bronco Barba.
From what I have seen of Barba this year, his best work is when he has been just behind, then up in the line. Some of his short kicks have led to tries or repeat sets, he has put runners into holes, and he always keeps the defence guessing when he has the ball which is exactly what we need, and is the hall mark of a class play maker.
I agree that his running game as FB is an entirely different ball game so to speak here, than at the Dogs, given the different game plan based on the bigger forwards the Dogs had and have. Clearly, separate to Barba's ankle injury and adjustments he needed to make transitioning to a new club, it was nigh on impossible for the Barba of 2012 to replicate that FB running game at the Broncos, which is why I feel his best, and only position here is at 5/8.
As for his performance as a half, I think his footwork, ability to read the play and excellent kicking game (see Rd. 12 v Manly as one example) will help to de-structure any defensive line he faces, provided our game plan has the proper shape: depth, width, support play and quality ball.
Time will tell, starting this week in particular against a very good structured defence, although I still maintain that Manly's edge defence can be very brittle under sustained pressure.
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