Time for Milford to go

[Number6]

Didn't Taylor leave because Bennett didn't have a spot for him, not the money? Fail to see how that's Boyd's problem.

At any rate. I'd have picked Boyd any day of the week over a kid with no experience, that some crazy foreigner had a chub for ;-)

Disagree completely.

Issue isn’t Boyd but structuring a team with 1 5/8 and 1 guy trying to learn to be an NRL 5/8 way too early in his career. It isn’t that Boyd isn’t a good player but simply that the spine was lacking a true halfback moreso given the hooker is a tackling machine with slow service and the fullback is a sweep play and defensive fullback. The high risk gamble almost paid off early but then when confidence was lost it all went out the window there was no structure or leadership left to fallback on.

If Boyd was coming back to Broncos on compassionate grounds then he was always welcome at a half price if we had that to spare are locking in essentials (since he took himself out of the market) essentially and if willing to play anywhere such as wing or centre.

Same issue I have with Bird signing. Good player but what is the plan? He is a nice to have at the right price but his contract is likely so high it limits offers for a must have such as a real halfback. Like the idea of him at hooker or lock but he is untested there. Not to mention He has come in looking like a mess (admittedly has surgery but shoulder doesn’t stop you hopping on a bike or ordering you foodz rather than chicken nuggets all summer long, might be depressed looking at him play in fairness however in which case he needs help and sharks have a lot to answer for how they handled him).

 

[Morkel]

Agree Boyd, recruitment or retention of a nice to have can cost you a lot of must haves...

Boyd really cost Taylor. Sims and Thaiday perhaps we could have kept ESE, Moga ruined Oppa development, Glenn is standing in way of Sua... SuperCoach’s primary superpower has been keeping players for unders which doesn’t seem to happen much anymore.

I do blame WB for Taylor. Honestly what was his plan? I get the do the right thing for Taylor but was it even that? And certainly wasn’t for the club. If either Hunt or Milf got injured, had poor form or got origin selection who was the backup? KNik sure as hell wasn’t ready 3 years ago and isn’t ready now. Or if Boyd got injured who plays fullback? Better Mikf than Kahu or other randoms. If Macca injured Hunt could have covered that with Taylor at HB...

As for right thing for Taylor, sending a young bloke who doesn’t know any better to a sh*tbag club was never going to help his development as footballer. His game now clearly demonstrates that while he is good, an extra year or so in ISC with proper coaching might have helped round him out a lot more and be ready for origin this year rather than 3 years at current pace of development. The only thing that helped Taylor was the money side which is extremely important but the offer he had wasn’t an enormous offer at first IIRC. Could have tried to find him a little more at Broncos for goodwill. Also the he will come back argument is nonsense and clearly not thought out. Once you give someone a taste for both the money and crap culture at GC asking a lot of a young bloke to take less at Broncs and want to come back to a hard work ethic culture. Also we didn’t send him after giving him his first real chance at NRL (1 short game after leaving doesn’t count)- GC did that so while he was in Broncs system for years GC now look like the guys who held the faith - we essentially told him we had better options without really giving him a chance while they told him you are our saviour, would you have strong urge to return to someone who picked other guys ahead of you (who then proceeded to stink it up)...

If you let someone go you can do it on good terms and you might even do it to prevent resentment and send a good message to future players but don’t kid yourself they will come back to return the favour. Almost all that do come back for homesickness/family reasons. But GC is an hour down the m1...

I'm sorry, this is a load of shit. You might as well start believing everything the media tells you, because you've just lapped up some pretty specific revisionist history.

I don't know how many times we need to go over it, but here are your answers:

* Milford & Hunt were going fantastic, they were going to be our long term halves. No club can carry a gun first-grade-spec half as a backup, and that's what Taylor was going to be. So despite Kodi & Jayden not being ready for consistent first grade, they're the exact type that clubs need for depth.

* Boyd did go down injured in 2015. This isn't a theoretical. Kahu filled in really well. That answers that one.

* Same again, Macca did get injured at times in the last few years. When Milford & Hunt were the halves, we had a decent backup in Waddell, and then later Kodi handled it.

Can people please stop with this shit? It's been done, and the history stands. Rewriting it because people want to blame Bennett & Boyd is just dumbfuckery.

 

[Porthoz]

Have some respect. Boyd's mental health issues were real and there was a very high chance that he wouldn't have kept playing. I won't disagree with your other points but I will not let you spout that rubbish.

I'm not having a go at Boyd or his psychological distress. The gullible part is about anyone believing Boyd wasn't going to come to the Broncos if and when he was recovered.

 

[pagey]

Agree Boyd, recruitment or retention of a nice to have can cost you a lot of must haves...

Boyd really cost Taylor. Sims and Thaiday perhaps we could have kept ESE, Moga ruined Oppa development, Glenn is standing in way of Sua... SuperCoach’s primary superpower has been keeping players for unders which doesn’t seem to happen much anymore.

I do blame WB for Taylor. Honestly what was his plan? I get the do the right thing for Taylor but was it even that? And certainly wasn’t for the club. If either Hunt or Milf got injured, had poor form or got origin selection who was the backup? KNik sure as hell wasn’t ready 3 years ago and isn’t ready now. Or if Boyd got injured who plays fullback? Better Mikf than Kahu or other randoms. If Macca injured Hunt could have covered that with Taylor at HB...

As for right thing for Taylor, sending a young bloke who doesn’t know any better to a sh*tbag club was never going to help his development as footballer. His game now clearly demonstrates that while he is good, an extra year or so in ISC with proper coaching might have helped round him out a lot more and be ready for origin this year rather than 3 years at current pace of development. The only thing that helped Taylor was the money side which is extremely important but the offer he had wasn’t an enormous offer at first IIRC. Could have tried to find him a little more at Broncos for goodwill. Also the he will come back argument is nonsense and clearly not thought out. Once you give someone a taste for both the money and crap culture at GC asking a lot of a young bloke to take less at Broncs and want to come back to a hard work ethic culture. Also we didn’t send him after giving him his first real chance at NRL (1 short game after leaving doesn’t count)- GC did that so while he was in Broncs system for years GC now look like the guys who held the faith - we essentially told him we had better options without really giving him a chance while they told him you are our saviour, would you have strong urge to return to someone who picked other guys ahead of you (who then proceeded to stink it up)...

If you let someone go you can do it on good terms and you might even do it to prevent resentment and send a good message to future players but don’t kid yourself they will come back to return the favour. Almost all that do come back for homesickness/family reasons. But GC is an hour down the m1...

Milf cost Taylor and probably hunt

 

[Morkel]

Milf cost Taylor and probably hunt

 

[Reyter]

What exactly is a ‘Newcastle’?

Back-ended, overvalued and long term contracts for players well past their best screwing up the salary cap.

 

[theshed]

Back-ended, overvalued and long term contracts for players well past their best screwing up the salary cap.

Can you please name the players and contracts you’re talking about for both clubs?

 

[Porthoz]

I'm sorry, this is a load of shit. You might as well start believing everything the media tells you, because you've just lapped up some pretty specific revisionist history.

I don't know how many times we need to go over it, but here are your answers:

* Milford & Hunt were going fantastic, they were going to be our long term halves. No club can carry a gun first-grade-spec half as a backup, and that's what Taylor was going to be. So despite Kodi & Jayden not being ready for consistent first grade, they're the exact type that clubs need for depth.

* Boyd did go down injured in 2015. This isn't a theoretical. Kahu filled in really well. That answers that one.

* Same again, Macca did get injured at times in the last few years. When Milford & Hunt were the halves, we had a decent backup in Waddell, and then later Kodi handled it.

Can people please stop with this shit? It's been done, and the history stands. Rewriting it because people want to blame Bennett & Boyd is just dumbfuckery.

Woah, someone's getting upset. I'm just not sure whether it's me being right, or Bennett being wrong, which grinds you the most. :p

Answer these simple questions honestly:

- Did we need Boyd when we recruited him?
- If Boyd was not here, and in light of what we do know about our halves issues with game management and kicking, do you think Wayne wouldn't have found a spot in the halves for Taylor, by say... moving Milford to Fullback for example?

P.S. It's only revisionist history if you didn't actually predict it before it happened.

Didn't Taylor leave because Bennett didn't have a spot for him, not the money? Fail to see how that's Boyd's problem.

At any rate. I'd have picked Boyd any day of the week over a kid with no experience, that some crazy foreigner had a chub for ;-)

Yes, Taylor left because WB didn't have a spot for him. You're halfway there... now think why didn't Wayne have a spot for him?

You'd have picked a Fullback we did not need, over the only actual Halfback the club had? Well, not the crazy foreigner... :p

 

[Cult]

Probably should have stuck with Barba, Hoffman or Kahu at fullback, right? Barba was losing us games at fullback, Hoffman is a winger and Kahu was running the exact same way Boyd is now for ages. We needed a fullback and a five-eight, so we signed both.

 

[Nashy]

Woah, someone's getting upset. I'm just not sure whether it's me being right, or Bennett being wrong, which grinds you the most. :p

Answer these simple questions honestly:

- Did we need Boyd when we recruited him?
- If Boyd was not here, and in light of what we do know about our halves issues with game management and kicking, do you think Wayne wouldn't have found a spot in the halves for Taylor, by say... moving Milford to Fullback for example?

P.S. It's only revisionist history if you didn't actually predict it before it happened.

Yes, Taylor left because WB didn't have a spot for him. You're halfway there... now think why didn't Wayne have a spot for him?

You'd have picked a Fullback we did not need, over the only actual Halfback the club had? Well, not the crazy foreigner... :p

What? Your clear bias and love for Taylor sends you loopy, but this takes the cake.

Fullback we didn't need? Please don't tell me your second love in Kahu was the reason we "didn't need" a fullback. Or are you really going to sit there and tell me that Barba was going to go well for us?

Ben Hunt is an actual halfback. He was the actual halfback we went with instead of the untested, no NRL games halfback you wanted in the team.

 

[BroncsFan]

Also we didn’t send him after giving him his first real chance at NRL (1 short game after leaving doesn’t count)- GC did that so while he was in Broncs system for years GC now look like the guys who held the faith - we essentially told him we had better options without really giving him a chance while they told him you are our saviour, would you have strong urge to return to someone who picked other guys ahead of you (who then proceeded to stink it up)...

Just on this part he was pretty lucky to end up debuting and playing all of 2016.

IIRC the titans actually went out and signed Tyrone Roberts after signing Ash. With Elgey coming off a pretty damn good rookie season it would've been unlikely that Taylor would come in and take the 7 jersey straight off him.

Elgey then went down with the ACL during preseason and basically forced the titans hand. He then proceeded to have a great start to the season and Titans ended up increasing and extending his contract to 2018.

Not saying he wouldn't have debuted at some point but I suspect he would've been down the pecking order initially.

 

[Kyall]

We got rid of A Daly m winner who was only 1 season into his contract for Boyd. I didn’t like that move from the start especially with him being over weight like Milford has been. Barba could of been a great FB for us.

 

[Number6]

Probably should have stuck with Barba, Hoffman or Kahu at fullback, right? Barba was losing us games at fullback, Hoffman is a winger and Kahu was running the exact same way Boyd is now for ages. We needed a fullback and a five-eight, so we signed both.

We did need a fullback and five eight agree but we already bought or had both. Milf at 1. And Hunt at 6. This isn’t revisionist history same belief I have stated since 2014 (admittedly with a short oh crap I might be wrong end 2015 until few mins before end of GF). This was a foreseeable and obvious issue.

What we needed was always a halfback. Did we have one on staff at right price?

 

[Morkel]

Woah, someone's getting upset. I'm just not sure whether it's me being right, or Bennett being wrong, which grinds you the most. :p

Answer these simple questions honestly:

- Did we need Boyd when we recruited him?
- If Boyd was not here, and in light of what we do know about our halves issues with game management and kicking, do you think Wayne wouldn't have found a spot in the halves for Taylor, by say... moving Milford to Fullback for example?

P.S. It's only revisionist history if you didn't actually predict it before it happened.

Yes, Taylor left because WB didn't have a spot for him. You're halfway there... now think why didn't Wayne have a spot for him?

You'd have picked a Fullback we did not need, over the only actual Halfback the club had? Well, not the crazy foreigner... :p

That's what's grinding me. Your insistence on patting yourself on the back for being "right" all along. You didn't predict any of this! Your concern was simply that we'd lose Taylor, and a vague shaking of the fist that "Bennett is going to regret it". You didn't predict Hunt being offered $1.2 million a year. You didn't predict Boyd being crippled to the point of contemplating retirement. You didn't predict our injury toll and lack of off-season for the spine and key players. They're the reason we're 2/5, not because Bennett let Taylor leave.

Just because one or two people who are desperate for someone to blame are starting to believe your version of events doesn't make it true.

Boyd was a massive improvement over any other fullback we had. Kahu was fine in his first stint, but in his games since early 2015 he's been shit at fullback. Milford was never going to be a fullback moving forward and even if he was asked to play there he was a terrible defender - if he can't organise attack, what makes you think he could organise in defence like Boyd does?

 

[Foordy]

We did need a fullback and five eight agree but we already bought or had both. Milf at 1. And Hunt at 6. This isn’t revisionist history same belief I have stated since 2014 (admittedly with a short oh crap I might be wrong end 2015 until few mins before end of GF). This was a foreseeable and obvious issue.

What we needed was always a halfback. Did we have one on staff at right price?

Milford was never ever signed to play one ... he was always going to play 6

 

[Cult]

Boyds new deal was signed a day after Taylor re-signed with the Titans. Milfords was signed in May and Hunt signed with the Dragons in January. Milfords massive chunk of the salary cap didn't give us a chance to sign Taylor (Or any other halfback for that matter), not Boyd, not Hunt.

Birds contract probably didn't help either but I have a feeling he's going to be our fullback once Boyd retires.

 

[Reyter]

Can you please name the players and contracts you’re talking about for both clubs?

Scott, Gower, Mason, Smith. That just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others. And now Boyd (too long and expensive), Milford (too expensive) and Bird (too expensive). If it were too expensive for a year or two, mistakes happen. All of them are on the books on that kind of money for 4 fucking years!!!!

 

[Foordy]

Scott, Gower, Mason, Smith. That just off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others. And now Boyd (too long and expensive), Milford (too expensive) and Bird (too expensive). If it were too expensive for a year or two, mistakes happen. All of them are on the books on that kind of money for 4 f**king years!!!!

since you seem to be in the know, how about providing contract figures for all of those players