MELTDOWN Wayne Bennett - Moves to Souths

[Foordy]

Im a huge TPJ fan and think Bennett should at least get to see out his contract. That being said, I don’t think any player’s signature should dictate who our coach is.

couldn't agree more

 

[Number6]

Let's try and look at this pragmatically. After all, the job of Wayne is to get a team to play to their potential and ultimately, win premierships. In terms of the second aspect, this side looks like it is getting further away from a premiership with each year that passes from 2015. That said, the young talent coming through does look very promising indeed.

Wayne did say though that when he came back, there was a three year plan from memory. Well it is now four years on and this side AS A UNIT just not seem to be gelling and has seemingly stagnated. A shake up is needed but a mass clean out is not. The question is, does Wayne still have the ability to acknowledge his errors and more importantly, the gumption to act on them?

Let's try and look at the side as fairly as possible (and yes, this is CERTAINLY arguable, any opinion is, no matter how pragmatic one tries to be):

Captaincy: Boyd is NOT a good captain. He doesn't seem to have the ability to lead by example anymore, at least not consistently. The problem of course is that there just aren't many other options, let alone good ones. I don't really see this as Wayne's fault. He basically has chosen the best of a bad bunch of leaders. Glenn looks a good option but his spot in the side isn't guaranteed. Gillett has been out all season basically. Macca is just the definition of mediocre, despite being a SOO player now unbelievably, not the kind of inspirational leader you want in a side. McGuire is the other option but he is both divisive and had a fairly average season. Thaiday is gone and hasn't been good enough for the last three seasons. Not really sure what the answer is here unless you went with a young guy like Joffa who has that Petero fear factor about him.

1. Boyd - This is on Bennett. Boyd has been average to below for most of the year unfortunately (yes, he has had some good games too) but he should DEFINITELY not have been re-signed for four years and especially on the amount of money he is reported to be on. Bennett should have stuck with him at centre and no, I'm still not sold on Isaako at fb moving forward. Allan would have been my choice (this is purely my opinion and I could certainly be wrong). In any case, the re-signing of Boyd and seeming refusal to move him is on Bennett.

2. Oates - For the most part, has had an amazing season despite not being happy on the wing. Credit to Wayne for that, Oates is an absolute weapon and Wayne gives him time in the second-row, excellent management here. If Oates cannot be retained because of Bird's money though, this is a tragedy.

3. Roberts - He is not as prolific a try scorer as he used to be at the GC but is a far better player now. There is certainly an understandable school of thought that he isn't being used as well as he could be but he has made undoubtable progress as a player and person under Wayne.

4. Bird/Kahu/Staggs/Opacic - Let's go with the four players here who played there mostly. Bird, what kind of signing was this? No idea where to play him (he never, or at least rarely, played left centre in the past) and signed on reportedly big money despite not really being anything other than a glorified utility. Yes, there is the competitiveness aspect, etc but he really wasn't a needed signing and especially on so much money. If he leads to Oates leaving, it is mind-boggling. Kahu, he is a good player but is now being overtaken by others sadly, natural progression means he should be overtaken but does Wayne have it in him to move Kahu on or make him realise he is really now surplus/back up? Staggs, no one has been able to answer this but who is the one responsible for not having this kid in the 30? That is a monumental stuff up from someone and moving ahead, will Wayne have the courage to turn him into a centre if that is not what he wants but where his best opportunity might lie? Just get the feeling he needs to be in the side somewhere but why was he not getting any game time in so many games leading into the finals? Just a stupid bench decision when you have players getting no game time for no reason. Opacic, seems to be gone but have to wonder how much better that left side defense might have been if Wayne had persisted with him.

5. Isaako - This one is a massive plus for Wayne. This kid is a gun and has such a strong work ethic. It would have been easy to give Pearson the chance this season but Wayne went with Jamayne and what a winner that has proved to be. Isaako is a star of the now and perhaps a superstar of the future. What an amazing rookie year he has had and a lot of the credit for this must go to Wayne.

6. Milford - The guy is still inconsistent which is frustrating as anything but there is no doubt (in my opinion) he can be the halfback this side has been calling out for. His kicking has come on in leaps and bounds and I have a sneaking suspicion that next season he will break out as a genuine consistent superstar. His progression is a plus for Bennett in my opinion.

7. KNik - I love this guy and think that he and Milf can be the halves moving forward (at least until BOyd/Paix/Dreardon) are ready. Given Milf's emergence as a genuine controlling half potentially, KNik can play the role he does now and this side can be a force to be reckoned with. That said, the lack of any other real half option is a glaring criticism of many for Bennett, particularly given the money tied up in Boyd/Bird unnecessarily.

8. Lodge - For me, this is a massive plus for Bennett. I didn't want the guy at the club but he certainly didn't deserve the vitriol that he received from the start of the season. His progression both on and off field is Bennett at his finest. A genuine front-row leader in the making. His progression has been nothing short of amazing. Hats off to Bennett on this one.

9. Macca - This is a tough one. It seems quite obvious (though certainly arguable) that he is not the guy to lead the side to the promised premiership land. He just has not seemed to progress, despite falling into a 9 jersey for Qld. The definition of average. It could well be a coincidence based on the sides being played that Turpin looked so much better in his very limited opportunities. I'm not sure what to do here but I do think this is a critical decision moving forward. Does Wayne know what to do? Does he still have the resolve to dump a player that seems to be regressing or at least, becoming complacent? Can the Broncs win their next premiership with Macca at 9? I don't think so but I'm not being paid to sort this problem out.

10. Thaiday - Has been a tremendous servant of the club over a long time but unfortunately, that should have stopped three season ago. I understand Wayne keeping him around for his leadership and character to help guide the young guys though. This position needs to be given to Joffa next year, hopefully Wayne knows this too.

11. Glenn - He is a very underrated player in this side and I have no problem at all with Wayne keeping him in the starting side. With so many younger players, his experience is invaluable. Should he be the captain given the lack of alternatives and the fact Boyd really isn't that good in the role? What Wayne does with Alex is pivotal to the future of this side in my opinion.

12. Gillett/Su'A - Gillett, got fouled of the season and his loss has been huge all season. Hopefully, he comes back fit and firing (and not tentative) next season. Him getting an upgraded contract while out recovering from such a serious injury is a little mind-boggling to be honest. Su'A, looks a player of huge potential and another of these amazing young guns coming through. Will likely start next season in the 11 jersey and his progression before his injury is another massive plus to the Bennett man-management.

13. McGuire - Yes, he is the incumbent Australian lock, etc but he just does not have the explosiveness, offload ability that the modern-day lock needs. TPJ does and IF he hangs around next season and Wayne is still here, this needs to be recognised by Wayne. McGuire is a great player but he needs to start from the bench next season. Wayne needs to make an example of some of these more experienced statesmen that seem to have become complacent. McGuire off the bench can be a huge weapon.

14. Staggs/Mago - Staggs, was mentioned before. Off the bench though, he could have provided some necessary spark but was rarely afforded the opportunity, that's on Wayne - such weird Griffin-esque coaching. Mago, looks a very promising player and well done to Wayne for giving him a shot. Where does Mago fit in moving forward though? He looks good enough to be in the 17 but so do so many other young forwards. Not really sure what happens here moving forward but whoever gets the utility / fourth forward role has a very important role to play. If Wayne sticks with Macca at 9, it really should probably be Turpin here but then what happens to Staggs?

15. Sims/Haas - Sims, glad he is gone. I am happy that with all the young talent coming through that he wasn't retained. No Sims should ever be in the Broncs jersey again. He had some brilliant games for sure but also some shockers. This is a good decision to let him go. Haas, the kid has amazing potential for sure. Someone that big with a motor to match is extremely rare and he could be anything. One can understand the desire to lock him long-term but can he match the hype? This is probably the biggest gamble in Broncos history. Let's hope this decision is the right one.

16. Fifita - Gun. This kid has absolutely blown most away with his ability to step into the NRL so seamlessly and the consistency he has shown has been absolutely phenomenal. Should he be starting next year? That is a question Wayne will need to be pondering but credit to Wayne in identifying this kid and giving him his shot. He could become the best forward in the game but can he avoid the second year syndrome?

17. TPJ / Joffa - Both of these guys should be starting next year and in Wayne's defense, he seems to recognise this which is great. Both of them have been starting on and off throughout the year and with Sam's retirement, hopefully that means Joffa progresses to starting prop. Hopefully, Wayne also swaps McGuire to the bench and starts a fresh TPJ at the lock position next year. These two players are must keeps and full credit to Wayne for bringing them through.

Yes, this post is epic but one least comment:

Carrigan - Why hasn't this kid been given a shot this year? He looks as good as any of the other kids coming through. Really just don't understand why he hasn't been given a shot. I'm sure if Wayne is here next year, this seeming oversight will be addressed.

So, all-in-all, there have been some really, really good decisions by Wayne but some absolute head scratchers as well. Is this side well-positioned for the premiership next year? Probably not but it certainly looks good for the years after. So given that this is the case and Wayne only has one more year, is he worth persisting with in 2019? Well, I can't see why not in the absence of other suitable candidates. Should he be extended? That is the big question for me.

Like the analysis overall but disagree on a few points. I find it mind boggling that everyone seems ok to pay Milf a mill a year give or take to LEARN to become a halfback. Only his kicking game is paying off after 4 years !!!! I remember when he could single handedly tear apart a teams middle but instead he now slows down waiting for support when he does occasionally make a break.

For me KNik was showing good signs as a running 5/8 but defence is huge issue even for a young half.

Isaako don’t get the the rookie of the year talk. Maybe for Broncs but even then think better options like Fifita and definitely not for NRL. Guy has potential but can someone FFS teach him how to defend on the wing. Doubt he has the skills of a top level modern fullback. Might be wrong but strikes me as a slightly better Hoffman type who kicks.

Roberts. Once again FFS you have a guy with more speed than Oxford st and don’t go to his side. This isn’t a case of being used selectively as a tactic more like putting your Ferrari in the garage and only taking it out to Church on Sundays. Yeah you don’t take it out in peak hour traffic but every weekend you fang it around the countryside in between picking up surely? Guy should be on 20+ tries a season.

Can’t agree more re Staggs and Bird.

McGuire and Macca agree.

Glenn for me is slowing down every year. Prefer his experience on the bench or free up his salary. But doesn’t have the speed anymore to cover centre, maybe I’m guilty of underrating him too but am not convinced he is the key. For me Gillett recovering physically and mentally and then being used correctly as more than another tackling machine is the key to our forwards. He can bodyguard, he can offload, he can run a line and lead by example just not for 80 minutes. Maybe 60. Might even be the captaincy choice if he comes good but would be a risk without seeing a month or two of footy.

 

[john1420]

Let's try and look at this pragmatically. After all, the job of Wayne is to get a team to play to their potential and ultimately, win premierships. In terms of the second aspect, this side looks like it is getting further away from a premiership with each year that passes from 2015. That said, the young talent coming through does look very promising indeed.

Wayne did say though that when he came back, there was a three year plan from memory. Well it is now four years on and this side AS A UNIT just not seem to be gelling and has seemingly stagnated. A shake up is needed but a mass clean out is not. The question is, does Wayne still have the ability to acknowledge his errors and more importantly, the gumption to act on them?

Let's try and look at the side as fairly as possible (and yes, this is CERTAINLY arguable, any opinion is, no matter how pragmatic one tries to be):

Captaincy: Boyd is NOT a good captain. He doesn't seem to have the ability to lead by example anymore, at least not consistently. The problem of course is that there just aren't many other options, let alone good ones. I don't really see this as Wayne's fault. He basically has chosen the best of a bad bunch of leaders. Glenn looks a good option but his spot in the side isn't guaranteed. Gillett has been out all season basically. Macca is just the definition of mediocre, despite being a SOO player now unbelievably, not the kind of inspirational leader you want in a side. McGuire is the other option but he is both divisive and had a fairly average season. Thaiday is gone and hasn't been good enough for the last three seasons. Not really sure what the answer is here unless you went with a young guy like Joffa who has that Petero fear factor about him.

1. Boyd - This is on Bennett. Boyd has been average to below for most of the year unfortunately (yes, he has had some good games too) but he should DEFINITELY not have been re-signed for four years and especially on the amount of money he is reported to be on. Bennett should have stuck with him at centre and no, I'm still not sold on Isaako at fb moving forward. Allan would have been my choice (this is purely my opinion and I could certainly be wrong). In any case, the re-signing of Boyd and seeming refusal to move him is on Bennett.

2. Oates - For the most part, has had an amazing season despite not being happy on the wing. Credit to Wayne for that, Oates is an absolute weapon and Wayne gives him time in the second-row, excellent management here. If Oates cannot be retained because of Bird's money though, this is a tragedy.

3. Roberts - He is not as prolific a try scorer as he used to be at the GC but is a far better player now. There is certainly an understandable school of thought that he isn't being used as well as he could be but he has made undoubtable progress as a player and person under Wayne.

4. Bird/Kahu/Staggs/Opacic - Let's go with the four players here who played there mostly. Bird, what kind of signing was this? No idea where to play him (he never, or at least rarely, played left centre in the past) and signed on reportedly big money despite not really being anything other than a glorified utility. Yes, there is the competitiveness aspect, etc but he really wasn't a needed signing and especially on so much money. If he leads to Oates leaving, it is mind-boggling. Kahu, he is a good player but is now being overtaken by others sadly, natural progression means he should be overtaken but does Wayne have it in him to move Kahu on or make him realise he is really now surplus/back up? Staggs, no one has been able to answer this but who is the one responsible for not having this kid in the 30? That is a monumental stuff up from someone and moving ahead, will Wayne have the courage to turn him into a centre if that is not what he wants but where his best opportunity might lie? Just get the feeling he needs to be in the side somewhere but why was he not getting any game time in so many games leading into the finals? Just a stupid bench decision when you have players getting no game time for no reason. Opacic, seems to be gone but have to wonder how much better that left side defense might have been if Wayne had persisted with him.

5. Isaako - This one is a massive plus for Wayne. This kid is a gun and has such a strong work ethic. It would have been easy to give Pearson the chance this season but Wayne went with Jamayne and what a winner that has proved to be. Isaako is a star of the now and perhaps a superstar of the future. What an amazing rookie year he has had and a lot of the credit for this must go to Wayne.

6. Milford - The guy is still inconsistent which is frustrating as anything but there is no doubt (in my opinion) he can be the halfback this side has been calling out for. His kicking has come on in leaps and bounds and I have a sneaking suspicion that next season he will break out as a genuine consistent superstar. His progression is a plus for Bennett in my opinion.

7. KNik - I love this guy and think that he and Milf can be the halves moving forward (at least until BOyd/Paix/Dreardon) are ready. Given Milf's emergence as a genuine controlling half potentially, KNik can play the role he does now and this side can be a force to be reckoned with. That said, the lack of any other real half option is a glaring criticism of many for Bennett, particularly given the money tied up in Boyd/Bird unnecessarily.

8. Lodge - For me, this is a massive plus for Bennett. I didn't want the guy at the club but he certainly didn't deserve the vitriol that he received from the start of the season. His progression both on and off field is Bennett at his finest. A genuine front-row leader in the making. His progression has been nothing short of amazing. Hats off to Bennett on this one.

9. Macca - This is a tough one. It seems quite obvious (though certainly arguable) that he is not the guy to lead the side to the promised premiership land. He just has not seemed to progress, despite falling into a 9 jersey for Qld. The definition of average. It could well be a coincidence based on the sides being played that Turpin looked so much better in his very limited opportunities. I'm not sure what to do here but I do think this is a critical decision moving forward. Does Wayne know what to do? Does he still have the resolve to dump a player that seems to be regressing or at least, becoming complacent? Can the Broncs win their next premiership with Macca at 9? I don't think so but I'm not being paid to sort this problem out.

10. Thaiday - Has been a tremendous servant of the club over a long time but unfortunately, that should have stopped three season ago. I understand Wayne keeping him around for his leadership and character to help guide the young guys though. This position needs to be given to Joffa next year, hopefully Wayne knows this too.

11. Glenn - He is a very underrated player in this side and I have no problem at all with Wayne keeping him in the starting side. With so many younger players, his experience is invaluable. Should he be the captain given the lack of alternatives and the fact Boyd really isn't that good in the role? What Wayne does with Alex is pivotal to the future of this side in my opinion.

12. Gillett/Su'A - Gillett, got fouled of the season and his loss has been huge all season. Hopefully, he comes back fit and firing (and not tentative) next season. Him getting an upgraded contract while out recovering from such a serious injury is a little mind-boggling to be honest. Su'A, looks a player of huge potential and another of these amazing young guns coming through. Will likely start next season in the 11 jersey and his progression before his injury is another massive plus to the Bennett man-management.

13. McGuire - Yes, he is the incumbent Australian lock, etc but he just does not have the explosiveness, offload ability that the modern-day lock needs. TPJ does and IF he hangs around next season and Wayne is still here, this needs to be recognised by Wayne. McGuire is a great player but he needs to start from the bench next season. Wayne needs to make an example of some of these more experienced statesmen that seem to have become complacent. McGuire off the bench can be a huge weapon.

14. Staggs/Mago - Staggs, was mentioned before. Off the bench though, he could have provided some necessary spark but was rarely afforded the opportunity, that's on Wayne - such weird Griffin-esque coaching. Mago, looks a very promising player and well done to Wayne for giving him a shot. Where does Mago fit in moving forward though? He looks good enough to be in the 17 but so do so many other young forwards. Not really sure what happens here moving forward but whoever gets the utility / fourth forward role has a very important role to play. If Wayne sticks with Macca at 9, it really should probably be Turpin here but then what happens to Staggs?

15. Sims/Haas - Sims, glad he is gone. I am happy that with all the young talent coming through that he wasn't retained. No Sims should ever be in the Broncs jersey again. He had some brilliant games for sure but also some shockers. This is a good decision to let him go. Haas, the kid has amazing potential for sure. Someone that big with a motor to match is extremely rare and he could be anything. One can understand the desire to lock him long-term but can he match the hype? This is probably the biggest gamble in Broncos history. Let's hope this decision is the right one.

16. Fifita - Gun. This kid has absolutely blown most away with his ability to step into the NRL so seamlessly and the consistency he has shown has been absolutely phenomenal. Should he be starting next year? That is a question Wayne will need to be pondering but credit to Wayne in identifying this kid and giving him his shot. He could become the best forward in the game but can he avoid the second year syndrome?

17. TPJ / Joffa - Both of these guys should be starting next year and in Wayne's defense, he seems to recognise this which is great. Both of them have been starting on and off throughout the year and with Sam's retirement, hopefully that means Joffa progresses to starting prop. Hopefully, Wayne also swaps McGuire to the bench and starts a fresh TPJ at the lock position next year. These two players are must keeps and full credit to Wayne for bringing them through.

Yes, this post is epic but one least comment:

Carrigan - Why hasn't this kid been given a shot this year? He looks as good as any of the other kids coming through. Really just don't understand why he hasn't been given a shot. I'm sure if Wayne is here next year, this seeming oversight will be addressed.

So, all-in-all, there have been some really, really good decisions by Wayne but some absolute head scratchers as well. Is this side well-positioned for the premiership next year? Probably not but it certainly looks good for the years after. So given that this is the case and Wayne only has one more year, is he worth persisting with in 2019? Well, I can't see why not in the absence of other suitable candidates. Should he be extended? That is the big question for me.

I normally don't read posts this long, but for some reason I decided to, and I'm glad I did

Top post mate, well thought out and well written, and very hard not to agree with 90% of it

The kind of post that makes me hope the club reads the forum :)

 

[john1420]

We still have him as an option but there is still others we can choose to coach. Atm I’ll take a lot other coach’s over WB.

Yeah, we know @Kyall

It would be great if you wouldn't mind naming 5 or 6 and detailing the grounds upon which you are certain they would do better, because you just don't sack Wayne Bennett for a guy that you hope will be better - you have to be convinced of it

 

[Kyall]

Yeah, we know @Kyall

It would be great if you wouldn't mind naming 5 or 6 and detailing the grounds upon which you are certain they would do better, because you just don't sack Wayne Bennett for a guy that you hope will be better - you have to be convinced of it

Let’s start with just coaches that have won a grand final
1.Mcguire he has been the head coach in both the nrl and super league both in which he won premierships. Also a former strength and conditioning coach. Not a bad resume
2.Hasler is a former NRL premiership winning player. As head coach of sea Eagles he won 2 premierships and was quite successful with bulldogs with the players he had.
3.Walters a former premiership winning player and was assistant coach to Bellamy in there success.
4.Hell even Tim Sheens if you count possible targets former player and premiership winning coach.

We still in our longest premiership drought and something needs to be done. With the players at our disposal surely an experienced coach would have some idea what to do.

 

[Foordy]

Let’s start with just coaches that have won a grand final
1.Mcguire he has been the head coach in both the nrl and super league both in which he won premierships. Also a former strength and conditioning coach. Not a bad resume
2.Hasler is a former NRL premiership winning player. As head coach of sea Eagles he won 2 premierships and was quite successful with bulldogs with the players he had.
3.Walters a former premiership winning player and was assistant coach to Bellamy in there success.
4.Hell even Tim Sheens if you count possible targets former player and premiership winning coach.

We still in our longest premiership drought and something needs to be done. With the players at our disposal surely an experienced coach would have some idea what to do.

1. McGuire burns teams out
2. Hasler destroys teams salary caps (in some cases without even getting a premiership to show for it) and it takes years to fix
3. Walters had a very poor record in the ESL, which is a much easier comp than the NRL is
4. Sheens - mao:

 

[Harry Sack]

Someone else mentioned it earlier, and I'll raise it again because I can't agree more: Wayne said in the presser that "we've been losing these games all year, the games we're expected to win". So as the head coach, the responsible person, how does that not get addressed all season? It's been the defining hallmark of our year. Does he not know how to get their heads right? Is he out of touch with the younger generation? Does he not have the right people around him and the club anymore? The guys seem to all love him, but there's some glaring consistency issues which were never a problem while Bennett was at the helm in his first stint. The rot started IMO when he left.

Although I do also believe our lack of good on-field leadership is also hurting us. Look at the other teams remaining - Maloney/Cleary, Smith/Slater, Cronk/Pearce/Cordner, Gallen/Lewis, Inglis/Sutton, Widdop/Graham... It's not just experience, it's having good leadership. We haven't really had a true, natural leader since Locky (no offence to the likes of Parker and Hodgo, they did a fair job but they're not a Smith/Cronk/Slater either).

I'll bet he's excited about it.

Solid post btw, although like others have said, can't really agree regarding Hodges.

 

[Number6]

1. McGuire burns teams out
2. Hasler destroys teams salary caps (in some cases without even getting a premiership to show for it) and it takes years to fix
3. Walters had a very poor record in the ESL, which is a much easier comp than the NRL is
4. Sheens - mao:

Seibold is at moment top of an unfortunately short list now.
Walters for me still worth a mention but agree not convinced.
It is a problem with Bellamy, Cleary off the table.

If we had the cap best option is cam smith in 2 years. Bring him as player, captain/assistant coach to Bennett (at least know smith will stand up to Bennett on some of his most questionable decisions and then fast track to coach when WB retired in 2-3 years. Steep learning curve but he’s pretty much coach every side he’s been in for 10 years hasn’t he?

 

[FaithinHook]

I cant see how Wayne can be the coach in 2019. What if the team should win the premiership next year , Paul White an the Board will look like total fools if it turns out we win an WB wasnt given the 12 month extension he wanted. I dont think they will take that risk an Wayne will be given marching orders after the Board meet soon. Not saying it is right, or what i think should happen, but i think it will.

I belive the Board is lining Michael Macguire up as we speak to coach us next year.

 

[Stix]

I cant see how Wayne can be the coach in 2019. What if the team should win the premiership next year , Paul White an the Board will look like total fools if it turns out we win an WB wasnt given the 12 month extension he wanted. I dont think they will take that risk an Wayne will be given marching orders after the Board meet soon. Not saying it is right, or what i think should happen, but i think it will.

I belive the Board is lining Michael Macguire up as we speak to coach us next year.

This is a very good point.

 

[Thelmus]

I'm not big on maguire, good coach though he might be. Whoever follows Bennet (whenever that is), needs to understand the broncos are a club that will NOT go through an extended period of decline and development to achieve success.
We expect top 4 EVERY year and like a lot of posters have demonstrated recently, anything less is considered a failure, regardless of circumstances. Bellamy is one coach who has shown a similar mettle, but there are few others.
One thing is certain. Whoever gets the job needs to be given some time and patience and not be expected to be in the top 4 or face the axe, at least for a season.

 

[Kyall]

I'm not big on maguire, good coach though he might be. Whoever follows Bennet (whenever that is), needs to understand the broncos are a club that will NOT go through an extended period of decline and development to achieve success.
We expect top 4 EVERY year and like a lot of posters have demonstrated recently, anything less is considered a failure, regardless of circumstances. Bellamy is one coach who has shown a similar mettle, but there are few others.
One thing is certain. Whoever gets the job needs to be given some time and patience and not be expected to be in the top 4 or face the axe, at least for a season.

That’s why I am saying get an experienced coach with premiership glory to their name. If they have done it at other clubs why not ours. We have the squad so we just need the extra push.

 

[Foordy]

That’s why I am saying get an experienced coach with premiership glory to their name. If they have done it at other clubs why not ours. We have the squad so we just need the extra push.

You've been pushing for Walters who doesn't have a premiership to his name

 

[FaithinHook]

That’s why I am saying get an experienced coach with premiership glory to their name. If they have done it at other clubs why not ours. We have the squad so we just need the extra push.

To me, Maguire makes sense. He is a premiership winner, took Souths back to their glory days after many unsuccesful years, came through the Storm coaching structure under Bellamy, has recently been involved in the referereeing side of things (referee boss of the NRL which may be helpful to the team, an is available to coach next year as not under contract to another team. He has also said in interview recently he has had time to rethink his coaching technique while away (so not make same mistake as he did with Rabbits/ burning them out etc)

I think Maguire is an ideal choice an will shake the players out of their current comfort zone as may be Wayne cuddles them an too soft on them.

 

[Number6]

I'm not big on maguire, good coach though he might be. Whoever follows Bennet (whenever that is), needs to understand the broncos are a club that will NOT go through an extended period of decline and development to achieve success.
We expect top 4 EVERY year and like a lot of posters have demonstrated recently, anything less is considered a failure, regardless of circumstances. Bellamy is one coach who has shown a similar mettle, but there are few others.
One thing is certain. Whoever gets the job needs to be given some time and patience and not be expected to be in the top 4 or face the axe, at least for a season.

Yes and no. For me can accept not being top 4 every year. Just want a premiership at some foreseeable point. For me we are further away from that since 2015. Even can accept with a rebuild phase but for me the issue is there zero hope of a premiership with the frankly bizarre tactics and strategies. You could have the 92 broncos and not come close to winning with the selection and tactical decisions being made. The even more frustrating bit is post Bennett history says clubs fall apart. So damned if you do, damned if u don’t. Bennett was brought back to deliver at least 1 premiership. At current rate of development of Milf and young forwards and factoring in retirement and replacement of our stagnant unsackables might be 4-5 years for next premiership window (which may not occur when all these superstars of the future get a million each from Titans and Newcastle) unless some big calls are made.

 

[Thelmus]

Premierships don't come easily any more than good coaches but there have been a few good coaches and any number of good players who for whatever reason could not win one. Even when the coach puts everything together and has the perfect strategy to thrash his opposition, fate can come along and destroy his carefully laid out plans: an injury to a marquee player, ill-discipline on or off the field, or just a bad ref call at the wrong time can make the difference between success and failure.
The cowboys getting beaten by a team with a seven tackle set, or the broncos 30 seconds away from grand final success are two memorable cases but there are plenty more.
I refuse to let 30 seconds decide my opinion of coach (or a player for that matter) but if all you judge success in either is a premiership then some of the greats of the game will be found wanting.
Does Wally Lewis have his merits as a player limited compared to darius boyd because he failed to get one at the broncos but darius did. Steve Price was injured for the grand final. Did it make him less of a player for being so. Gillet has never won one.
Fittler coached his team to premiership in his first year as coach with a team already built to succeed, thanks to Gould. Does that put him on par with don furner who mentored bennet and took a team from the wooden spoon to the grand final. Since they lost that final by that comparison, on those merits, where success is only measured by trophys fittler is ahead, but I doubt the comparison would seem fair to most.

 

[Kyall]

You've been pushing for Walters who doesn't have a premiership to his name

I would 100% take Mcguire over Walters but I was also taking into consideration who the club would probably make the coach.

 

[Jedhead]

Premierships don't come easily any more than good coaches but there have been a few good coaches and any number of good players who for whatever reason could not win one. Even when the coach puts everything together and has the perfect strategy to thrash his opposition, fate can come along and destroy his carefully laid out plans: an injury to a marquee player, ill-discipline on or off the field, or just a bad ref call at the wrong time can make the difference between success and failure.
The cowboys getting beaten by a team with a seven tackle set, or the broncos 30 seconds away from grand final success are two memorable cases but there are plenty more.
I refuse to let 30 seconds decide my opinion of coach (or a player for that matter) but if all you judge success in either is a premiership then some of the greats of the game will be found wanting.
Does Wally Lewis have his merits as a player limited compared to darius boyd because he failed to get one at the broncos but darius did. Steve Price was injured for the grand final. Did it make him less of a player for being so. Gillet has never won one.
Fittler coached his team to premiership in his first year as coach with a team already built to succeed, thanks to Gould. Does that put him on par with don furner who mentored bennet and took a team from the wooden spoon to the grand final. Since they lost that final by that comparison, on those merits, where success is only measured by trophys fittler is ahead, but I doubt the comparison would seem fair to most.

Gould built and left behind a team for Stuart not Fittler.