Young broncs in feeder clubs

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in front of him at the Titans right now is Ryley Jacks

in front of him at the Broncos is Milford, Dearden, O'Sullivan and Possibly Paix.

common sense tells you which club has the easier path to first grade
Definitely Paix considering he didn't get dropped form Q Cup like Boyd did.
 

Foordy

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Titans top 30 lists the halves as Taylor, Roberts, Brimson (not only Jacks).
Same as our club, injuries push him up the order.
who knows when Taylor is coming back ... and Brimson is playing fullback (and if Brennan has any brains what so ever should stay there)
 

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in front of him at the Titans right now is Ryley Jacks

in front of him at the Broncos is Milford, Dearden, O'Sullivan and Possibly Paix.

common sense tells you which club has the easier path to first grade
Ah !, you mean Jack's, Taylor, Robert's, brimson .
Common sense tells me that it's not that different.
 

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Ah !, you mean Jack's, Taylor, Robert's, brimson .
Common sense tells me that it's not that different.
see post above ...

for the foreseeable future the reality is that he only has to overtake Jacks
 

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Titans definitely seems like an easier pathway into the halves. I definitely don't believe that they somehow ruin players, I think it's just an excuse for the player just not being good enough themselves. They are definitely a shitty club, but as a player you've got to take your chances.
 

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It's not necessarily who is in-front of Tanah, but who is around him.

I look at NRL Squad players in four seperate categories

Starters
Short Term
Depth
Long Term

Applying that to Brisbane...

At the start of the year Milford and Nikorima were the starters. That was far from an ideal situation given Nikorima was for all intents and purposes a depth player. Which is why both he and Seibs made the right call to move on.

Short term are your O'Sullivans and Dargan's. They've come through the grades and they're ready for their opportunity to sink or swim.

Brisbane have no depth players. The best example in the NRL Ryley Jacks. A player who has been around the system for years but will should never be the first choice at the NRL level.

Long term are your colts players who are only now getting used to the rigors of first grade football. At Brisbane you had Tom Dearden, Cory Paix, Tanah Boyd, Sam Walker and Josh James all in this position. Ideally, you should have at least one gun in this position, but you want to avoid a situation like Brisbane where you've put a lot of stock in it.

At the Gold Coast he has

Starters: Roberts, Taylor
Short Term: None
Depth: Jacks
Long Term: None

It's a no-brainer.
 
Perese

"Brisbane Broncos coach Anthony Seibold will be keeping a close eye on the young outside back after he put in a standout performance in a losing side, with one try, try assists, six tackle breaks and a massive 251 running metres."

He mustn't be far off, he hadn't been scoring earlier this year and now he's gone back to back games with points. Hopefully he is getting into the groove and bashes that door down.
 
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Big Pete

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Perese

"Brisbane Broncos coach Anthony Seibold will be keeping a close eye on the young outside back after he put in a standout performance in a losing side, with one try, try assists, six tackle breaks and a massive 251 running metres."

He mustn't be far off, he hadn't been scoring earlier this year and now he's gone back to back games with points. Hopefully he is getting into the groove and bashes that door down.
Was decent with the footy, still looked lost without it. Norths had a field day running down his edge and while he wasn't solely to blame, he didn't perform well under pressure.

He'll get a look in if Shibasaki keeps making costly errors (whether he and Staggs swap sides remains to be seen) but I'd like to see him spend an off-season on his defence and hit the ground running in 2020.
 
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What the hell is wrong with our fans. First it's we can't develop enough players, now it's we can't keep them. I am astonished and proud of the way the club has turned their development and talent spotting around the last few years. Look at our team! It's full of the most talented youngsters seen in years. Will it work out? It's never 100%! Can we keep them all? Of course not!
But for mine, I'd pick the 18 year old who blitzed the qld cup and got MoM in his debut game, and has stood up to everything he has got thrown at him at nrl level and did his job, not looking out of place once, over the 19 year old who got dropped from qld cup in an underperforming team, and who's highlight reel that everyone is using as some sort of justification for him being the pick of the lot involved David fifita in 95% of them. If you cant get tries with him on your hip at under 18s you shouldn't even make the under 18s bench for souths logan.
Will boyd be great? Maybe. Is dearden ahead of him at this age? Waaay ahead. Paix? Yes. O'sullivan who is 2 years older? Way ahead. So should we keep 4 halfbacks? No. It's that simple.
I love what the club has been doing lately. It's the good old days of the broncos where nearly every talented junior in a position we were weak in was recruited and only the strong survived. Can it blow up in our face? Maybe. But when we didn't do it it blew up in our face a hell of a lot more, and when we did recruit with this philosophy we won plenty of premierships.
So what's it to be, don't recruit all these talented youngsters and be condemned to years of not winning a premiership, or recruit and develop a lot and pick the best when their 18-20 with a few going off because they don't have the opportunity or there's too big amount of money thrown at them...

Because they are the ONLY 2 options...
 

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What the hell is wrong with our fans. First it's we can't develop enough players, now it's we can't keep them. I am astonished and proud of the way the club has turned their development and talent spotting around the last few years. Look at our team! It's full of the most talented youngsters seen in years. Will it work out? It's never 100%! Can we keep them all? Of course not!
But for mine, I'd pick the 18 year old who blitzed the qld cup and got MoM in his debut game, and has stood up to everything he has got thrown at him at nrl level and did his job, not looking out of place once, over the 19 year old who got dropped from qld cup in an underperforming team, and who's highlight reel that everyone is using as some sort of justification for him being the pick of the lot involved David fifita in 95% of them. If you cant get tries with him on your hip at under 18s you shouldn't even make the under 18s bench for souths logan.
Will boyd be great? Maybe. Is dearden ahead of him at this age? Waaay ahead. Paix? Yes. O'sullivan who is 2 years older? Way ahead. So should we keep 4 halfbacks? No. It's that simple.
I love what the club has been doing lately. It's the good old days of the broncos where nearly every talented junior in a position we were weak in was recruited and only the strong survived. Can it blow up in our face? Maybe. But when we didn't do it it blew up in our face a hell of a lot more, and when we did recruit with this philosophy we won plenty of premierships.
So what's it to be, don't recruit all these talented youngsters and be condemned to years of not winning a premiership, or recruit and develop a lot and pick the best when their 18-20 with a few going off because they don't have the opportunity or there's too big amount of money thrown at them...

Because they are the ONLY 2 options...
Good points.

BUT, I think people are pissed because we keep letting players go, mid season no less, and not signing anyone at all.

Seeya Nikorima, Walker (too young, can’t play anyway, but still a half) Boyd. First choice halfback goes down.
Seeya Roberts. Other first choice centre goes down.

I actually don’t mind what we’re doing, but letting players go mid season is just ridiculous. It only serves to weaken us. Added to the fact we aren’t signing anyone else, then we start to see a shortage in our depth when injury strikes, which it has.

By all means, if they aren’t part of the plans moving forward then let them go, just do so in the off season when there is almost no risk of it backfiring.
 
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Good points.

BUT, I think people are pissed because we keep letting players go, mid season no less, and not signing anyone at all.

Seeya Nikorima, Walker (too young, can’t play anyway, but still a half) Boyd. First choice halfback goes down.
Seeya Roberts. Other first choice centre goes down.

I actually don’t mind what we’re doing, but letting players go mid season is just ridiculous. It only serves to weaken us. Added to the fact we aren’t signing anyone else, then we start to see a shortage in our depth when injury strikes, which it has.

By all means, if they aren’t part of the plans moving forward then let them go, just do so in the off season when there is almost no risk of it backfiring.
Roberts was toxic to a young team, I'm glad they let him go. Nikorima wanted to play half back and he wasn't a half back for us, imagine his attitude on the team if we stopped him from getting that multi year deal in the position he wanted. Boyd was NOWHERE NEAR the other half backs. Its why we didn't let o'sullivan go. We have a young team that needs to grow a strong attitude, if we had a seasoned team ready to win this year I'd say stuff them and keep them for depth, but their attitudes are the big things we need to fix and develop at the moment.
Who do we sign to replace a player ranked 36th in our squad? Lol... Every year we whinge about a position/s then the next year we have amazing juniors in that position come through. 2 years ago our forwards weren't big enough and had poor PTBs and not enough talent - enter haas, fifita, sua, carrigan, flegler getting talked about, and we sign lodge in the mean time to hold the Fort. Then it was we have no halves - then we hear whispers about dearden, paix, and the future immortal we've missed in boyd, and we signed a young cover in o'sullivan as they develop. At the moment what are we most concerned about? Our fullback and outside backs in general seem to lack depth right? Who are we hearing whispers about now? Coates, niu, Walsh, and Farnsworth, with perese and kenner signed to fill any gap in the mean time and we also got that young Fijian.
Even hooker, we signed Turpin last year and are looking at paix as a dummy half.
This development and recruitment team is plugging the holes we are whinging about before they are even obvious to people on this forum. That's why I have faith in their choices at the moment. BIG TIME . Will they get a few wrong, probably. But are they getting more right than wrong at the moment. YES. And that's better than most clubs, in fact, I'd say if you asked any other club which club has the best players under 21 at the monent was, all 15 other clubs would say the broncos. So what the hell are we whinging about...
 
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Roberts was toxic to a young team, I'm glad they let him go. Nikorima wanted to play half back and he wasn't a half back for us, imagine his attitude on the team if we stopped him from getting that multi year deal in the position he wanted. Boyd was NOWHERE NEAR the other half backs. Its why we didn't let o'sullivan go. We have a young team that needs to grow a strong attitude, if we had a seasoned team ready to win this year I'd say stuff them and keep them for depth, but their attitudes are the big things we need to fix and develop at the moment.
Who do we sign to replace a player ranked 36th in our squad? Lol... Every year we whinge about a position/s then the next year we have amazing juniors in that position come through. 2 years ago our forwards weren't big enough and had poor PTBs and not enough talent - enter haas, fifita, sua, carrigan, flegler getting talked about, and we sign lodge in the mean time to hold the Fort. Then it was we have no halves - then we hear whispers about dearden, paix, and the future immortal we've missed in boyd, and we signed a young cover in o'sullivan as they develop. At the moment what are we most concerned about? Our fullback and outside backs in general seem to lack depth right? Who are we hearing whispers about now? Coates, niu, Walsh, and Farnsworth, with perese and kenner signed to fill any gap in the mean time and we also got that young Fijian.
Even hooker, we signed Turpin last year and are looking at paix as a dummy half.
This development and recruitment team is plugging the holes we are whinging about before they are even obvious to people on this forum. That's why I have faith in their choices at the moment. BIG TIME . Will they get a few wrong, probably. But are they getting more right than wrong at the moment. YES. And that's better than most clubs, in fact, I'd say if you asked any other club which club has the best players under 21 at the monent was, all 15 other clubs would say the broncos. So what the hell are we whinging about...
I feel you’ve gone off on a bit of a rant without really understanding what you’re replying to.

As I said, you made good points and I don’t really have a problem with what we are doing, but still, letting players go, mid season, without replacing them leaves us exposed to unnecessary risk.

All these youngsters you mention may end up being the goods, and some are already proving to be. But the reality is, many won’t and in the meantime, we have to have some players who are ready to play now in the event we lose a player or two here or there.

It seems you also don’t recognise that a lot of the players you’ve mentioned we literally cannot play as they’re either too young or not in our top 30. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that we have to apply for special consideration to get them in. I also believe such application is permitted through unexpected injury or other extenuating circumstances, not simply letting players move to other clubs. As I said, I could be wrong, but if I’m not, then what happens?

Another point I think you may be missing is letting players go mid season is shortsighted on our behalf as they can literally line up against us this season - and we all know how well ex-Broncos, particularly those who we deemed not good enough, tend to play against us.

But if none of that drives home my point, maybe this will. Very few other teams let players go without getting something in return. The Storm rarely do, neither do the Roosters. Even this week, Bennett has said Gagai can go if he wants, at the end of the season.

We need to stop being maters and do what’s right for the club sometimes instead of what might be right for the player.

All that said, getting rid of Roberts was absolutely right. He was toxic to the playing group, but I don’t think Kodi would have been.
 
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I feel you’ve gone off on a bit of a rant without really understanding what you’re replying to.

As I said, you made good points and I don’t really have a problem with what we are doing, but still, letting players go, mid season, without replacing them leaves us exposed to unnecessary risk.

All these youngsters you mention may end up being the goods, and some are already proving to be. But the reality is, many won’t and in the meantime, we have to have some players who are ready to play now in the event we lose a player or two here or there.

It seems you also don’t recognise that a lot of the players you’ve mentioned we literally cannot play as they’re either too young or not in our top 30. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that we have to apply for special consideration to get them in. I also believe such application is permitted through unexpected injury or other extenuating circumstances, not simply letting players move to other clubs. As I said, I could be wrong, but if I’m not, then what happens?

Another point I think you may be missing is letting players go mid season is shortsighted on our behalf as they can literally line up against us this season - and we all know how well ex-Broncos, particularly those who we deemed not good enough, tend to play against us.

But if none of that drives home my point, maybe this will. Very few other teams let players go without getting something in return. The Storm rarely do, neither do the Roosters. Even this week, Bennett has said Gagai can go if he wants, at the end of the season.

We need to stop being maters and do what’s right for the club sometimes instead of what might be right for the player.

All that said, getting rid of Roberts was absolutely right. He was toxic to the playing group, but I don’t think Kodi would have been.
You've driven home your point well. No need for the rant back. Your point is simple. You want brisbane to have 40 registered players, get a bad reputation with players and player agents by refusing to release them for greater opportunities, and you want a workplace people don't want to be at despite them being surplus to requirements. O'sullivan is needed, we kept him. Tanah boyd wouldnt have got a shot with 4 injuries in the halves.
Youre point can be summed up by using an analogy... You want to eat maccas all the time but you want to complain when you get fat. If we produce a lot of talent then we are going to lose some too. It's the BS behind a salary cap. We don't need tanah boyd this year, we don't need Roberts infecting the team, nikorima didn't want to play the position we wanted him too.... Look at the teams we have released them too, not saying it is a direct result of their signings but have they become powerhouses and gotten stronger since they joined them? No. If we can't beat a team with tanah boyd or even nikorima as their half back then is it really hurting us if we release them anyway, it'd be a clear sign of bigger problems we need to sort....
 

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You've driven home your point well. No need for the rant back. Your point is simple. You want brisbane to have 40 registered players, get a bad reputation with players and player agents by refusing to release them for greater opportunities, and you want a workplace people don't want to be at despite them being surplus to requirements. O'sullivan is needed, we kept him. Tanah boyd wouldnt have got a shot with 4 injuries in the halves.
Youre point can be summed up by using an analogy... You want to eat maccas all the time but you want to complain when you get fat. If we produce a lot of talent then we are going to lose some too. It's the BS behind a salary cap. We don't need tanah boyd this year, we don't need Roberts infecting the team, nikorima didn't want to play the position we wanted him too.... Look at the teams we have released them too, not saying it is a direct result of their signings but have they become powerhouses and gotten stronger since they joined them? No. If we can't beat a team with tanah boyd or even nikorima as their half back then is it really hurting us if we release them anyway, it'd be a clear sign of bigger problems we need to sort....
How have you taken that from what I wrote?

I said releasing players, mid season, is shortsighted and exposes us to risk. I also said that the ultra successful clubs tend not to do it. They don’t have any problems with player disharmony. Probably because they’re too busy winning and being in the running for the premiership every year.

However, you ignore that and somehow go off, again, with hyperbole laden dribble in an attempt to, I can only assume, make yourself feel better or make your point of view seem more valid.

You like analogies, so here’s one for you. Trying to have an educated conversation with you is like sitting on a rocking chair.

So, I give up.
 

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Development players have to be on $75,000 and he trains with the full time squad- it's not exactly a hard luck life for a 18 year old.

Turpin hung around the got promoted to the 30 and his go. Not saying Boyd should do that but it does happen.
60,000 minimum
 

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