Young broncs in feeder clubs

kooly87

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Did the Broncos discuss their intentions with Souths and the coach before moving them over??

You would think that before you move a bunch of young players you might check that they're actually going to play first.

There's also Isaako who I believe is Souths and would be competing with Niu for fullback... suggestion he could be a utility on the bench, but you'd think the Broncos and Isaako himself would prefer to be playing every week in ISC rather than cameos off the bench
We're the Brisbane Broncos, we're the market leaders when it comes to ruining careers by playing guys in cameo roles off the Bench.
 

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All the more reason why we need a proper reserve grade side. They can play alongside current QCup sides. All may not survive, but the QCup has lost plenty of sides before and it’s survived.
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Probably will rely on a larger squad in the future, but ideally you’d have a roughly 20/20 player split between NRL and QCup team.
The ISC doesn't need another team in the city, it would have to be a team in Toowoomba and the Broncos aren't doing that again. Nothing in it for the QRL to make a Broncos team.

You only have a squad of 30 of which take out 18 and four or five injuries and you're left with 8-10 every week- how do you make a team?

Unless the Broncos sign ISC players specifically to their ISC team- which seems like a dead end for them. Then you add in the extra cost, a ISC team isn't cheap.
 

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Did the Broncos discuss their intentions with Souths and the coach before moving them over??

You would think that before you move a bunch of young players you might check that they're actually going to play first.

There's also Isaako who I believe is Souths and would be competing with Niu for fullback... suggestion he could be a utility on the bench, but you'd think the Broncos and Isaako himself would prefer to be playing every week in ISC rather than cameos off the bench
They meet at the start of the season and you start with what is yours- We keep Niu.

Then move onto what you need we haven't got great depth at hooker- ok we want Paix to play hooker you can have him and you get allocated your 10 players of which probably 7 you will never see.

Isaako could well be at Souths, which would create the issues I am talking about. It's not check if they will play- you can't account for massive losses of form or one of your own players killing it and you are stuck with a Bronco at half- that's when you get the issues I am talking about.
 
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This is why there is a lack of talent, the gap .between ISC and NRL . It needs to be a stepping stone , maybe the nrl needs to spend money on the lower league instead of more nrl teams.
 

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This is why there is a lack of talent, the gap .between ISC and NRL . It needs to be a stepping stone , maybe the nrl needs to spend money on the lower league instead of more nrl teams.
I am confused how you arrived at the lack of talent conclusion?
 

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The ISC doesn't need another team in the city, it would have to be a team in Toowoomba and the Broncos aren't doing that again. Nothing in it for the QRL to make a Broncos team.

You only have a squad of 30 of which take out 18 and four or five injuries and you're left with 8-10 every week- how do you make a team?

Unless the Broncos sign ISC players specifically to their ISC team- which seems like a dead end for them. Then you add in the extra cost, a ISC team isn't cheap.
You love ignoring about 90% of people’s posts and then selectively refuting the now-redundant to sound clever.

I already said that you would have to increase the squads to at least 40. As far as signing ISC players for the reserve grade side, that’s what happens now anyway to the current ISC teams. I understand that some players want to play for a local club that they may be a part of, but that’s only lacking for us as a result of the club being created to compete in the top grade and not formed at local levels and/or promoted from the BRL.

I also said that it may end up killing a Brisbane top grade side or two, which has happened before with clubs dying or defaulting back to the local competitions, and of course that’s sad and unfortunate, but there’s always casualties as things progress. I do admit it’s a nice look that there is no NRL clubs with teams in the QCup.

We have plenty of money, or at least should, and sponsors shouldn’t really be an issue. The club, in my opinion, needs to focus on being an actual club, because it’s arguable that currently it’s really just a Brisbane rep team that can also sign players. For arguments sake, half of the NSW Cup has NRL club reserve sides now and they seem to do fine.

It’s not going to be easy, it’ll be expensive, and it’ll be met with a lot of pushback, but I think it’s something the club needs to do at some point in the near future. Or at the very least, seriously explore to the point of pulling the trigger and doing it. Alternatively they could wait for a natural death of a Brisbane side, but I wouldn’t have a clue when or if that could be a possibility anytime soon. I’m not saying I have all the answers and that it’s a simple thing that won’t potentially have far-reaching effects, just that the notion shouldn’t be dismissed straightaway for the sake of it.

And course Toowoomba is not a valid option.

Because it’s fucking Toowoomba.
 
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kooly87

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This is why there is a lack of talent, the gap .between ISC and NRL . It needs to be a stepping stone , maybe the nrl needs to spend money on the lower league instead of more nrl teams.
Guys come up and 'graduate' from the Queensland Cup every single year, and not just at Brisbane either. The Cowboys, Titans and Storm all have guys come up through the Queensland Cup and go on to succeed at those clubs and even at other clubs too. To say it has a lack of talent is just a baseless statement and shows a pretty severe level of ignorance.
 
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Guys come up and 'graduate' from the Queensland Cup every single year, and not just at Brisbane either. The Cowboys, Titans and Storm all have guys come up through the Queensland Cup and go on to succeed at those clubs and even at other clubs too. To say it has a lack of talent is just a baseless statement and shows a pretty severe level of ignorance.
Yet it's been noted by alot of people that have played and are apart of the game.
If you can't see it then maybe you're the ignorant one, most of these teams only have a couple of quality players that will make the step up to nrl .
 

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You love ignoring about 90% of people’s posts and then selectively refuting the now-redundant to sound clever.

I already said that you would have to increase the squads to at least 40. As far as signing ISC players for the reserve grade side, that’s what happens now anyway to the current ISC teams. I understand that some players want to play for a local club that they may be a part of, but that’s only lacking for us as a result of the club being created to compete in the top grade and not formed at local levels and/or promoted from the BRL.

I also said that it may end up killing a Brisbane top grade side or two, which has happened before with clubs dying or defaulting back to the local competitions, and of course that’s sad and unfortunate, but there’s always casualties as things progress. I do admit it’s a nice look that there is no NRL clubs with teams in the QCup.

We have plenty of money, or at least should, and sponsors shouldn’t really be an issue. The club, in my opinion, needs to focus on being an actual club, because it’s arguable that currently it’s really just a Brisbane rep team that can also sign players. For arguments sake, half of the NSW Cup has NRL club reserve sides now and they seem to do fine.

It’s not going to be easy, it’ll be expensive, and it’ll be met with a lot of pushback, but I think it’s something the club needs to do at some point in the near future. Or at the very least, seriously explore to the point of pulling the trigger and doing it. Alternatively they could wait for a natural death of a Brisbane side, but I wouldn’t have a clue when or if that could be a possibility anytime soon. I’m not saying I have all the answers and that it’s a simple thing that won’t potentially have far-reaching effects, just that the notion shouldn’t be dismissed straightaway for the sake of it.

And course Toowoomba is not a valid option.

Because it’s fucking Toowoomba.
I didn't ignore anything I addressed everything you said- you just didn't give much detail.

What's in it for the QRL? What business would add a team in an area they don't need for no gain for them?

Teams have died naturally, to just say kick out Redcliffe so we can have a team is ridiculous. It was a disaster last time the Broncos did it with Toowoomba- financially, players and time why would it be different this time if the Broncos invested in a team?

It's a massive investment in time and money when you could just rely on existing teams to do it. You also have to stick with it, you can't in three years go done with that now. What's the QRL do then? Last time the Broncos pulled out and Toowoomba couldn't survive- I can't see the QRL doing that again.
 

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Yet it's been noted by alot of people that have played and are apart of the game.
If you can't see it then maybe you're the ignorant one, most of these teams only have a couple of quality players that will make the step up to nrl .
Yet a potential Broncos team for round one has 14 ISC players.

The role of the ISC is not to have 17 NRL players in every team. It's a mixture of guys on their way up and guys on their way down and some that are happy playing ISC and being a roofer during the day.

The Sheffield Shield doesn't have each state with 11 Test players, some guys will play 30 games for WA and some will play 130 and never play a Test and you're trying to produce through your pathways a Fifita that played every grade for Souths from Under 16.

The ISC is very good at preparing young players by playing against men and housing the three Queensland team and Melbourne's talent until they need them and producing it's own talent that goes to the NRL as well quality football for the guys that play ISC and aren't going anywhere.
 

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Yet it's been noted by alot of people that have played and are apart of the game.
If you can't see it then maybe you're the ignorant one, most of these teams only have a couple of quality players that will make the step up to nrl .
I'm not exactly sure what you're point is supposed to be? The Queensland Cup doesn't produce enough talent? Compared to what? It's the second largest source of playing talent in the world, behind the NSW Cup, and produces NRL talent around at a ratio that's about in line with the difference in population between the two states.

Your bemoaning the talent in the Queensland Cup, but unless you're suggesting we start growing them in a lab (which I assume is how they created Payne Haas) then I'm not exactly sure what your alternative would be.
 
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If you look at South Sydney and how they've been able to enter their own team into the NSW Cup, it does seem strange that the most successful club in the game won't follow suit. You would have to think the Broncos would want to invest as much money as they could to be the most successful club in the sport and would want all their players from Under 16s on to learn their systems.

From what we know, the players spend the majority of their week at Red Hill. If they fail to make the first grade side, they're dismissed to their affiliate club where they will spend one session. If they're 18th or 19th man they may not even receive that luxury and may only appear during the warm up where they'll have to adjust. While there is some value in having to adapt on the fly, it just seems like an unnecessary distraction.

Plus your dealing with the agendas of four different clubs. With a Broncos QRL side, it would just be one of the assistant coaches working in association with the head coach to try different things and develop talent which is ultimately what the Broncos want to get out of the competition.

From a fan perspective as well, it would provide some added value to their ticket which can be as high as $68 and you could potentially get three grades of football. Broncos fans would be more engaged with the team and it would give the Broncos website more content. They could also give their UQ students some experience writing articles for the website.

I can see how the NRL squad limits could pose a problem since at most you can have 36 which leaves only two extra players. However, Souths, Penrith, Warriors and Newcastle seem to manage so there's some wriggle room there.

Yes, Toowoomba folded but that was 14 years ago. The Broncos should spare no expense trying to be the strongest club it can possibly be and if that means sinking money in a Queensland Cup side so be it.

On the other hand...

I would find it difficult to believe that the QRL would want to expand, especially with an NRL licensed club. It's in their best interest to spread the NRL talent around, getting fans to attend and tune into as many games as possible to see the next Cameron Munster or Jason Taumalolo in action.

It would also damage the Broncos relationship with the Dolphins, Devils, Magpies and Seagulls. They've been the grass roots for the Broncos for well over a decade and without their support the Broncos may never had got a chance to sign Matt Gillett, David Fifita, Anthony Milford etc.

What about cases where you've got plenty of competition for spots? You'd wind up in a situation where players wouldn't receive adequate game time because they're stuck behind experienced players. At least with the current model, there's more opportunities for players.

Further while in-house training may sound good in theory, there's nothing to suggest the current model isn't working. Both Melbourne and North Queensland have enjoyed success despite having different feeders. Sydney have basically left North Sydney to their own devices with their talent, after winning back to back premierships they seem to be fine. While all those clubs like Penrith, Newcastle and the Warriors have been disappointing. The only exception is Souths who only just entered their own NSW Cup side.

While the Broncos can afford a Queensland Cup side, it wouldn't be wise of them in the long term to make bad financial decisions. Toowoomba was a failure and ultimately the Broncos haven't really missed that arrangement. They're still developing quality players through the Queensland Cup at a similar rate to when the Clydesdales were still around.

Finally nobody showed up for the Clydesdales let alone the Broncos Under 20s side, so why would it be any different? If there was any interest in a reserve grade side, the Broncos would have produced more content - clearly their optics showed it wasn't worth their time or energy. $68 is expensive, but relatively speaking it's just above average. Other clubs have it worse and aren't expected to provide more bang for their buck.

I think that canvasses both sides?

With that said, Niu, Dearden and Paix will all start for the Magpies, so it's all moot.
 

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For those of you guys in the know, who is the better prospect out of Nui and Reece Walsh?
Almost certainly Niu. I remember reading articles about him 5 or 6 years ago. Walsh has had a moderate amount of hype around him in the last year or two, but it's nothing compared to Niu.

Edit: Based on what I've seen of both of them, I think Niu is the better runner of the footy, but Walsh has higher potential to be a better all-around footy player, has displayed flashes of having a good kicking and passing game. His future may be at Five-Eighth.
 
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Almost certainly Niu. I remember reading articles about him 5 or 6 years ago. Walsh has had a moderate amount of hype around him in the last year or two, but it's nothing compared to Niu.

Edit: Based on what I've seen of both of them, I think Niu is the better runner of the footy, but Walsh has higher potential to be a better all-around footy player, has displayed flashes of having a good kicking and passing game. His future may be at Five-Eighth.
Yeah, the limited highlights I've seen of both of them, I see more Lockyer in Walsh than Niu in the way they play.
 
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Almost certainly Niu. I remember reading articles about him 5 or 6 years ago. Walsh has had a moderate amount of hype around him in the last year or two, but it's nothing compared to Niu.

Edit: Based on what I've seen of both of them, I think Niu is the better runner of the footy, but Walsh has higher potential to be a better all-around footy player, has displayed flashes of having a good kicking and passing game. His future may be at Five-Eighth.
Walsh definitely has a lot more nuance to his game then Niu. Hopefully he can develop well and becomes a fullback option in the future.
 

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For those of you guys in the know, who is the better prospect out of Nui and Reece Walsh?
Nui is obviously ahead because he's older and more physically developed and playing NRL but from a football perspective Walsh is ahead, Nui is a runner don't think think just run and react- that's why I think he's better in the centre.

I raved about Walsh on here in July 2018- Michael Roberts made him captain of the Queensland U16 and it was an inspired choice. He is a great communicator and got Queensland off to a great start, they couldn't keep it going but at 16 he was captain, goal kicking and scoring tries.

Tweed last year he was tremendous and really stood up once Dearden was gone, Wynnum were red hot and Tweed peaked at the right time - his two games in a row against Mackay and Souths were outstanding.

In the state final against the Steelers read the situation goes to dummy half goes the blind and scores- he's strong. Second try goes to first reciever and runs with it in two hands with Bevan outside him they waited and waited ready to tackle the forward from the short ball and Walsh forces his way over.

For Keebra Park last year he came back from injury in the Alf Cup and just blitzed ISHS. He just seems to find a way to get involved which is what I like about him and he's firey too.

Australian school boys last year, his reading of the play was great, he knew when Walker was going to kick and read the situation.

Queensland U18 last year off the bench he came on and capitalized on a bit of Niu reaction and sprinted away to score.

Every game situation over the last two years shows awareness and appropriate skill at the appropriate time.
 
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Nui is obviously ahead because he's older and more physically developed and playing NRL but from a football perspective Walsh is ahead, Nui is a runner don't think think just run and react- that's why I think he's better in the centre.

I raved about Walsh on here in July 2018- Michael Roberts made him captain of the Queensland U16 and it was an inspired choice. He is a great communicator and got Queensland off to a great start, they couldn't keep it going but at 16 he was captain, goal kicking and scoring tries.

Tweed last year he was tremendous and really stood up once Dearden was gone, Wynnum were red hot and Tweed peaked at the right time - his two games in a row against Mackay and Souths were outstanding.

In the state final against the Steelers read the situation goes to dummy half goes the blind and scores- he's strong. Second try goes to first reciever and runs with it in two hands with Bevan outside him they waited and waited ready to tackle the forward from the short ball and Walsh forces his way over.

For Keebra Park last year he came back from injury in the Alf Cup and just blitzed ISHS. He just seems to find a way to get involved which is what I like about him and he's firey too.

Australian school boys last year, his reading of the play was great, he knew when Walker was going to kick and read the situation.

Queensland U18 last year off the bench he came on and capitalized on a bit of Niu reaction and sprinted away to score.

Every game situation over the last two years shows awareness and appropriate skill at the appropriate time.
Not sure if you agree, but do you see a bit of Ponga in Walsh? In a couple of the games I watched of him the way he passed and ran the ball was very reminiscent of a young Ponga (Without the insane footwork / exaggerated sidesteps).

Edit: Maybe slightly closer to Lachlan Coote, actually.
 
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Nui is obviously ahead because he's older and more physically developed and playing NRL but from a football perspective Walsh is ahead, Nui is a runner don't think think just run and react- that's why I think he's better in the centre.

I raved about Walsh on here in July 2018- Michael Roberts made him captain of the Queensland U16 and it was an inspired choice. He is a great communicator and got Queensland off to a great start, they couldn't keep it going but at 16 he was captain, goal kicking and scoring tries.

Tweed last year he was tremendous and really stood up once Dearden was gone, Wynnum were red hot and Tweed peaked at the right time - his two games in a row against Mackay and Souths were outstanding.

In the state final against the Steelers read the situation goes to dummy half goes the blind and scores- he's strong. Second try goes to first reciever and runs with it in two hands with Bevan outside him they waited and waited ready to tackle the forward from the short ball and Walsh forces his way over.

For Keebra Park last year he came back from injury in the Alf Cup and just blitzed ISHS. He just seems to find a way to get involved which is what I like about him and he's firey too.

Australian school boys last year, his reading of the play was great, he knew when Walker was going to kick and read the situation.

Queensland U18 last year off the bench he came on and capitalized on a bit of Niu reaction and sprinted away to score.

Every game situation over the last two years shows awareness and appropriate skill at the appropriate time.
Is this the same kid that Danen Kemp did a short video clip on?
 

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