holdzy
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Dude he was threatening to kill people!!
Dude he was threatening to kill people!!
Fernando
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Uhh yes of course it is.
holdzy
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He could have killed a man trying to help in front of his family with one of those punches. Drop the moral equity act. Both scum acts, no need to put one above the other.
Under certain circumstances, a man punching another man is more socially acceptable than a man glassing a woman. Not these circumstances.
Under certain circumstances, a man punching another man is more socially acceptable than a man glassing a woman. Not these circumstances.
Foordy
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absolutely it is ... but if you are going to continue with this at least get your facts right ... it was Bird's girlfriend not wife (they may not even still be together either)
vertigo
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Lodge is a piece of shit, playing for the Broncos won't change that.
But god we need some more props, anything to hide our halves inadequacies.
But god we need some more props, anything to hide our halves inadequacies.
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pagey
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Yeah ok that makes it so much better.
Jason Simmons
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He could have baked them a cake too. You can't judge someone by something he didn't do.
Lodge is plenty guilty of assault, probably break and enter and threatening violence. Surely that is enough without imaging how it might have been worse?
I think he will be a Bronco sooner rather than later however. This is due to the precedent set by the NRL over Russell Packer.
Packer's assault charge took place in November 2013 and he was sentenced to 2 years imprisonment, reduced to 1 on appeal. He spent 2014 in prison and returned to NSW Cup in 2015. In 2016 he returned to NRL with the Dragons.
Lodge's assault occured in October 2015. He wasn't sentenced to a term of imprisonment in a jurisdiction known to sentence people more harshly that we do, for this offence. He sat out league for the whole 2016 season and in 2017 he will return to Qld Cup.
Based on this precedent NRL seems likely to allow him to play in 2018 if there are no further issues, and possibly later in 2017, given he was not sentenced to a term of imprisonment (ie: perceived seriousness of the offending).
That is my view and if the NRL decide to register him, I'd rather he play for us than against...
holdzy
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He threatened to kill people.
So he's lucky he's not in jail for attempted murder, given his actions indicated he intended to follow through with his threats.
Don't want him at the Broncos, personally.
Fin.
Jason Simmons
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The problem with attempted murder is that you actually have to try (and intend) to murder someone and then fail, before you've committed that offence.
I don't condone Lodge's actions but he didn't do that.
holdzy
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Breaking into someone's home, telling them you're going to kill them and then choking and punching them in the head isn't evidence of that?
Jason Simmons
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Nope. I've charged a bloke for stabbing someone in the heart during a robbery and an esteemed jury of our peers found it wasn't attempted murder. Only robbery and Acts intended to cause Grievous Bodily Harm...
Regardless of this, Lodge wasn't convicted of breaking into anyone's home, nor choking anyone. Only a Misdemeanour assault (in our parlance - common assault, a less serious charge than Packer was convicted of.)
holdzy
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So is your problem with the law or the act itself?
Should he not be in jail?
All your post suggests is people are idiots.
Jason Simmons
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Both. He is a grub but our legal system (and clearly NRL policy) is to give people second chances. When he is playing, he is a good prop forward and heaven knows we desperately need another one. I am becoming less and less impressed by our crop of juniors with each game and if we can pick up a quality prop that is all to the good of this team and hopefully to the good of Lodge too, who I hope can turn his life around and make something of himself.
I have sat through so many sentencings that I rarely get emotional about them any more. The range of factors judges consider when handing them down is so extensive (and at times ridiculous) that I don't criticise sentences necessarily anymore.
I'd have to read the sentencing remarks to determine what reasoning the judge gave for not imprisoning him and you have to look at comparative sentences before you form that opinion if you want it in any way to mirror reality. As a generality, people don't usually go to jail for common assault convictions.
However my opinion is that, the above notwithstanding, yes. He should have been imprisoned when sentenced. Should he still be in prison? Probably not for that level of offending.
Again however look at Packer. He was convicted of a more serious offence. He did 12 months in jail and is now playing in the NRL.
We are constantly asking for consistency from NRL officials. So if Packer can, why can't Lodge play?
In a large amount of cases, I have no problem with that statement.
BroncosAlways
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Reminds me of those two idiots arrested last week for bashing a bloke, they came out after the court hearing and declared justice has been served.
The reporter then reminded them that they plead guilty....
*Awkward silence*
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pagey
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Where did the choking come from ?
BroncosAlways
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Physically assaulting and giving death threats in front of a nine year old child is.
What the hell is your point anyway, that our scum bag isn't as bad as a past nrl scum bag?
Get off it.
Porthoz
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Far from me to defend a POS like Bird, but if we're going to nitpick, guess what... Bird's girlfriend at the time denied being attacked, on the contrary, and Bird's conviction was overturned.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/judge-q...on-for-glassing-girlfriend-20091125-jpn5.html
Whether the above is true or not, is a different question, and more importantly, the fact Bird was allowed to return to the NRL in no way warrants Lodge the same right. Two wrongs don't make a right, besides one is a convicted felon, the other is not.
heartly87
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He went to jail, he never killed anyone, he didn't rape anyone. He did however commit a gross act of violence. He was judged by the courts and served the sentence they perceived as fit for the crime. He never had to serve further time. So according to the high horse riding HQ forumers he never deserves to redeem himself. If he has cleaned up his act, steers clear of drugs and booze and is involved with the community in a good way then he can put on our stripes in my opinion. If he is just a thug who does not commit to an honest path then send him packing.
