Barba vs Boyd

[Anonymous person]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

Yep, all we need is some of the biggest and best ball-playing props in the game. Should be easy

I feel like everyone is seriously trying to downplay Barbas 2012 just because it doesn't fit their Boyd pushing agenda.

The Bulldogs forward pack didn't help Barba score half a dozen 100m+ tries. The Forwards didn't make his line breaks out of nowhere, or make him do his chip/chases. Yes having a dominant forward pack helped his game, but most of what he did was just that - him doing it all. Every kick return you had the feeling he was going to run the length of the field and score, and often he did. Even when he was playing injured and with off field dramas last year he still scored more tries than anyone in our team and most other teams.

How do you know what his best position is? It could be either of them, he looked amazing at the Raiders at fullback because he didn't have to rely on team mates as much, it was all individual brilliance, in a good squad with a great spine, he may actually prove to be a better Five-Eighth.

so we should move one of the best fullbacks and players in the game out of the position he has played and carved up in for 2 years to a position in which he has played a handful of games and has been average to slightly above average in, just to hope he'll be better and so we can fit Boyd in?

No thanks, I'll take playing the most dangerous player in the game in the most dangerous position in the game over that any day.

Imagine how much slower that service would be with Ben Barba giving those super slow motion play the balls too...

The speed of the play the ball is irrelevant in how much time the first receiver gets before being confronted with defenders. It is 100% to do with the dummy half service, and McCullough is one of the worst in that department. How a first grade hooker can play 100+ games and still not be able to pick up and pass in one motion boggles the mind.

 

[Cult]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

The speed of the play the ball is irrelevant in how much time the first receiver gets before being confronted with defenders. It is 100% to do with the dummy half service, and McCullough is one of the worst in that department. How a first grade hooker can play 100+ games and still not be able to pick up and pass in one motion boggles the mind.

No but the speed of the play the ball does help the defense get onside easier which means they can move forward faster. But of course, you're right about McCullough.

 

[Unbreakable]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

so we should move one of the best fullbacks and players in the game out of the position he has played and carved up in for 2 years to a position in which he has played a handful of games and has been average to slightly above average in, just to hope he'll be better and so we can fit Boyd in?

No thanks, I'll take playing the most dangerous player in the game in the most dangerous position in the game over that any day

It doesn't matter what you want, you're a nobody, Milford will be Five-Eighth next season, might be time to put the dummy back in your mouth and get over this whole Boyd / Bennett tantrum.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

How is he a fullback by decree?

He is a hooker, maybe a half and can fill in at fullback. We have even had people on here that know a lot more about the NYC than others tell us that he is earmarked to take over at hooker from Macca if Macca doesn't take his game to the next level.

You can convince ourself that Boyd will have an impact on Jayden, but he won't.

Because that's what Wayne Bennett said (bold bit).

1910 already answered the re Jayden Nikorima, but another factor some people seem to dismiss, is the huge chunk of the Broncos salary cap ($600K) Boyd will take. That will also come at a cost of at least a couple of players...

The above is fact, the rest (whether Barba, Milford, Boyd or whomever should play where) is a matter of opinion of course, but mine is that given our 2015 roster and the youth coming through, there is absolutely no justification to bring Boyd to the club, especially at his price!

 

[Morkel]

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Because that's what Wayne Bennett said (bold bit).

1910 already answered the re Jayden Nikorima, but another factor some people seem to dismiss, is the huge chunk of the Broncos salary cap ($600K) Boyd will take. That will also come at a cost of at least a couple of players...

The above is fact, the rest (whether Barba, Milford, Boyd or whomever should play where) is a matter of opinion of course, but mine is that given our 2015 roster and the youth coming through, there is absolutely no justification to bring Boyd to the club, especially at his price!

Which is why it's all so heavily tied to the Packer signing. He's only minimum wage apparently, so $80k??? So collectively $680k for Boyd & Packer. That would be pretty close, maybe even less than Hoffman & Hannant.

 

[Harry Sack]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Would be surprised if anyone but Wayne knows what Wayne is planning.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Which is why it's all so heavily tied to the Packer signing. He's only minimum wage apparently, so $80k??? So collectively $680k for Boyd & Packer. That would be pretty close, maybe even less than Hoffman & Hannant.

I'm not sure you can justify bringing in a $600K winger, by balancing it with an $80K prop... :laugh:

Would be surprised if anyone but Wayne knows what Wayne is planning.

Well, this came from the horse's mouth...

 

[Morkel]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

I'm not sure you can justify bringing in a $600K winger, by balancing it with an $80K prop... :laugh:


Well, this came from the horse's mouth...

I'm just saying that overall, Boyd is about a tier up from Hoffman, while Packer is a tier down from Hannant. Evens up (especially when you consider that there is just one fullback, but multiple props to share the load). So swapping those players, at a roughly even net value, is not as bad as it could be. But it only works if the Broncos can get Packer, otherwise yes, there will be a couple more players needing to be shed to afford Boyd.

 

[Mitch06]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Boyd is barely worth 300k, let alone 600k a season. We still need cap space to resign Hunt and McGuire. Milford is our best option at Fullback, Barba is our best option at 5/8, I believe Hoffman is a better winger then Boyd....Bennet is cray

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

I'm just saying that overall, Boyd is about a tier up from Hoffman, while Packer is a tier down from Hannant. Evens up (especially when you consider that there is just one fullback, but multiple props to share the load). So swapping those players, at a roughly even net value, is not as bad as it could be. But it only works if the Broncos can get Packer, otherwise yes, there will be a couple more players needing to be shed to afford Boyd.

I'd rather have $600K available to help retain players we want.
We're not bringing Boyd in for Hoffman, that's where Anthony Milford comes in. I hear the kid goes alright at fullback...

 

[Huge]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

and surely our savior is capable of getting Barba back to his best and his devastating 2012 form

This is a typical example of the type post from you Foordy. It epitomises your offerings. Instead of writing something along the lines of the following.....'and surely WB is capable of getting the best performance from Barba and hopefully seeing him return to his 2012 form' you attempt to denigrate WB with the unworthy 'saviour' jibe. Every single post is like this although I may have missed some of your more reasonable efforts. Your opinion would be given greater respect if you were to show some.

 

[Morkel]

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I'd rather have $600K available to help retain players we want.
We're not bringing Boyd in for Hoffman, that's where Anthony Milford comes in. I hear the kid goes alright at fullback...

As would I. I am dead against the Boyd signing. I'm just saying that Signing Packer, a $250k~ prop, for $80k offsets the Boyd cashsplash.

 

[Anonymous person]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

As would I. I am dead against the Boyd signing. I'm just saying that Signing Packer, a $250k~ prop, for $80k offsets the Boyd cashsplash.

is packer, a guy currently in jail, a 250k prop though? are other teams going to sign him for $250k? if they would, why would he sign with us for $80k? lol. He'd sign with them for $250k unless we're paying him near $250k.

 

[Huge]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Boyd will not get 600 k at the Broncos. The Broncos will not pay anywhere near that amount for him. It will be a business decision and it most certainly will not be made by WB. If Boyd does come to the Broncos he will only receive half of that and that would be top whack. Boyd is much more likely to remain in Newcastle and will only be coming home if he takes a pay cut and gets a guarantee from WB that he will get first shot at fullback, not unreasonable I would think.

He may however still receive a payout from Newcastle even though they have said no to that. What I think is likely is the notion that Boyd could stay at Newcastle and receive 600 k while playing poorly or in a lower grade or he could move on with a payout, say 200 k thus 'saving' Newcastle 400 k which could be added to a Bronco contract of around 300 k making a move more likely. Either way ,everyone wins to some degree or other. Of course AP would be angry and that's always a good thing !

 

[Morkel]

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is packer, a guy currently in jail, a 250k prop though? are other teams going to sign him for $250k? if they would, why would he sign with us for $80k? lol. He'd sign with them for $250k unless we're paying him near $250k.

It's irrelevant what other teams would pay. We're (potentially) getting a player that, if we ignore who he actually is, has the on-field ability of a player that would otherwise be worth about $250k.

 

[Danoz Direct]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Boyd is barely worth 300k, let alone 600k a season. We still need cap space to resign Hunt and McGuire. Milford is our best option at Fullback, Barba is our best option at 5/8, I believe Hoffman is a better winger then Boyd....Bennet is cray

I believe that Milford is our best 5/8 option...

 

[Anonymous person]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

It's irrelevant what other teams would pay. We're (potentially) getting a player that, if we ignore who he actually is, has the on-field ability of a player that would otherwise be worth about $250k.

but if hes worth about $250k why do you think he's suddenly going to sign with us for $80k?

Packer wasn't even really that good. As others pointed out, he didn't make much ground with ball in hand. Noone on here would've rated him until Bennett said he wants him.

Boyd will not get 600 k at the Broncos. The Broncos will not pay anywhere near that amount for him. It will be a business decision and it most certainly will not be made by WB. If Boyd does come to the Broncos he will only receive half of that and that would be top whack. Boyd is much more likely to remain in Newcastle and will only be coming home if he takes a pay cut and gets a guarantee from WB that he will get first shot at fullback, not unreasonable I would think.

He may however still receive a payout from Newcastle even though they have said no to that. What I think is likely is the notion that Boyd could stay at Newcastle and receive 600 k while playing poorly or in a lower grade or he could move on with a payout, say 200 k thus 'saving' Newcastle 400 k which could be added to a Bronco contract of around 300 k making a move more likely. Either way ,everyone wins to some degree or other. Of course AP would be angry and that's always a good thing !

Boyd will get however much he wants (within reason). Bennett is the one who controls all that, and Bennett has made it crystal clear that he wants Boyd as our fullback. You're in denial if you still somehow think that Bennett doesn't just give Boyd whatever he wants.

He'll be signed to us for ~$750k a year before the year is over. You've got rocks in your head if you really think he'll be on $300k, or even anything less than $600k.

And why would Newcastle pay him out? He's not playing for them again, he's said he won't be at Newcastle next year. Clubs don't pay you out when you take a get out clause lol. Clubs pay you out if they break the contract.

 

[Fozz]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

I like your avatar [MENTION=1769]Foordy[/MENTION]

I'm quite disappointed that Wayne has anointed Boyd as fullback before he's even signed. Not even a chance of a competition between Barba, Milford and Boyd?

I guess our only hope is Boyd cutting the apron strings as signing elsewhere.