Barba vs Boyd

[Huge]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

Barba at the right weight and rehab on the ankle if that's still a problem, we'll be 10x better than Boyd next year. I hope he gets his form back next year I rate him. Disappointing to hear Bennett say that boyd is better than every fullback is bullshit. Milford has a really good kicking game his game against the eels was a real great kicking display against Hayne. And hunt will benefit of having a 5/8 that can kick. So this is my back line

1. Barba
2. Kahu
3. Copley
4. Hodges
5. Vidot/reed/maranta
6. Milford
7. Hunt

I actually thought he meant that of the players playing fullback in the Broncos team, Boyd would have to be better. I don't think he meant Boyd was better than ANY fullback.

 

[jarro65]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

I actually thought he meant that of the players playing fullback in the Broncos team, Boyd would have to be better. I don't think he meant Boyd was better than ANY fullback.

That's exactly what he meant.

 

[Foordy]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

I think it has been said already, but it was disappointing to hear Bennett say that Boyd was better than all the other fullbacks we have on our books and that he wants to bring him here to play fullback.

because:

If Boyd comes there is effectively no competition for the spot. Boyd will know he will be fullback, and the rest no the wont have a chance at fullback. Competition for positions breeds improvement.

If Boyd doesn't come, then the fullbacks on our roster may think that Bennett doesn't have faith in them to do the job, and thats why he wants Boyd as his fullback. that could lead to a loss of confidence from whoever eventually gets the spot (be it Barba or Milford or whoever).

 

[jarro65]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

I think it has been said already, but it was disappointing to hear Bennett say that Boyd was better than all the other fullbacks we have on our books and that he wants to bring him here to play fullback.

because:

If Boyd comes there is effectively no competition for the spot. Boyd will know he will be fullback, and the rest no the wont have a chance at fullback. Competition for positions breeds improvement.

If Boyd doesn't come, then the fullbacks on our roster may think that Bennett doesn't have faith in them to do the job, and thats why he wants Boyd as his fullback. that could lead to a loss of confidence from whoever eventually gets the spot (be it Barba or Milford or whoever).

It could also be a kick in the pants for the players we have now, and make them lift their game a bit ?

I'm sure i also read somewhere that Bennett has stated that if Boyd doesn't lob here, that the fullback options we have will be more than adequate.

Bennett obviously knows what type of player he needs as our fullback ... somebody who will help execute the game plan that he has in mind.

 

[broncos4life]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

I think it has been said already, but it was disappointing to hear Bennett say that Boyd was better than all the other fullbacks we have on our books and that he wants to bring him here to play fullback.

because:

If Boyd comes there is effectively no competition for the spot. Boyd will know he will be fullback, and the rest no the wont have a chance at fullback. Competition for positions breeds improvement.

If Boyd doesn't come, then the fullbacks on our roster may think that Bennett doesn't have faith in them to do the job, and thats why he wants Boyd as his fullback. that could lead to a loss of confidence from whoever eventually gets the spot (be it Barba or Milford or whoever).

So you don't think that one way or the other this is the kind of kick up the arse most people looking in at the broncos would think these blokes need. Whether or not we sign Boyd this is classic Bennett. It is firing up his players to see how they respond.

It's like putting up pieces of paper in the dressing room that he claimed were from Brian Smith's note pad saying things like "Kevin Walters is a turnstyle" etc etc.

To be honest if these guys are the kind of players that are going to sulk because he has challenged them, then good riddance.

 

[mitch222]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

I think what he meant was that for his Broncos structure that he will have them playing, Darius Boyd is the best fit at fullback for them and I actually agree. Boyd has been playing in this structure for the past 8 years in Bennett's teams.

 

[Foordy]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

I think what he meant was that for his Broncos structure that he will have them playing, Darius Boyd is the best fit at fullback for them and I actually agree. Boyd has been playing in this structure for the past 8 years in Bennett's teams.

and you know what, as soon as Boyd stopped playing for the Knights this year ... they won about 8 from 11.

or maybe the rumour that Rick Stone started taking on more responsibility (and Bennett a step back) after Bennett signed with us is true and that is why they were winning those games

 

[broncos4life]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

and you know what, as soon as Boyd stopped playing for the Knights this year ... they won about 8 from 11.

or maybe the rumour that Rick Stone started taking on more responsibility (and Bennett a step back) after Bennett signed with us is true and that is why they were winning those games

or maybe the side was finally free of all the controversy and distractions the year provided and they had kicked off the shackles once they were no longer a chance of making the finals and had nothing to lose.

 

[Financeguy]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

and you know what, as soon as Boyd stopped playing for the Knights this year ... they won about 8 from 11.

Not quite, they won 5 from 10 without Boyd through the season.

They did however only win 5 from 14 with Boyd so i guess you could argue Boyd was holding them back but i doubt he was the only person to blame for their poor first half of the season.

 

[vertigo]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Bennett: Boyd is the best of all the fullbacks

Players:

 

[Renegade]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

He ticks the most boxes so I think he's correct in what he's saying.

Can execute a set play
Safe under the high ball
Has speed
Very sound defensively
Can play in a preferred system
Has proven experience performing at the highest level for numerous seasons.

Barba, Milford and Hoffman cannot match the above criteria.

I'm neither here nor there on Boyd returning, but I can't fault WB in his thoughts.

 

[Foordy]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

He ticks the most boxes so I think he's correct in what he's saying.

Can execute a set play
Safe under the high ball
Has speed
Very sound defensively
Can play in a preferred system
Has proven experience performing at the highest level for numerous seasons.

Barba, Milford and Hoffman cannot match the above criteria.

I'm neither here nor there on Boyd returning, but I can't fault WB in his thoughts.

based on this year (and to a lesser degree last year) i disagree with the bolded

 

[Ari Gold]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

He ticks the most boxes so I think he's correct in what he's saying.

Can execute a set play
Safe under the high ball
Has speed
Very sound defensively
Can play in a preferred system
Has proven experience performing at the highest level for numerous seasons.

Barba, Milford and Hoffman cannot match the above criteria.

I'm neither here nor there on Boyd returning, but I can't fault WB in his thoughts.

Milford cannot match the above criteria, but he ticks a lot of boxes that Boyd can't.

Now, IF Boyd can play like he did the year the Dragons did it, and that's a big if, he will offer us a lot straight up. But, how much more is it above what Milford would offer?

That is what people seem to be so blind to. Boyd could be great if he plays well again, bla bla bla. We don't have a shit option at fullback, we have Anthony Milford. It doesn't matter how well Boyd could play, only how much better he can play than what Milford would offer. Best case scenario I don't think it's a lot, and you'd be paying an awful lot for that small premium.

I'm sure someone will say Milford can play five-eight, but whatever you are paying Boyd you are essentially paying for a five eight, at which point better outside options are there, as well as the two big internal ones.

I hate Boyd, don't want him at the club at all. But I do think he could be an excellent player again. The problem is, that is of little value to us. In a no salary cap world, then sign him up, but how anyone can justify Boyd is beyond me.

 

[johnny87]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

It could also be a kick in the pants for the players we have now, and make them lift their game a bit ?

I'm sure i also read somewhere that Bennett has stated that if Boyd doesn't lob here, that the fullback options we have will be more than adequate.

Bennett obviously knows what type of player he needs as our fullback ... somebody who will help execute the game plan that he has in mind.

That my first impression of that debacle the other day. Bennett could be stirring the boys up so they perform and play like their positions are on the line

 

[Huge]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Milford cannot match the above criteria, but he ticks a lot of boxes that Boyd can't.

Now, IF Boyd can play like he did the year the Dragons did it, and that's a big if, he will offer us a lot straight up. But, how much more is it above what Milford would offer?

That is what people seem to be so blind to. Boyd could be great if he plays well again, bla bla bla. We don't have a shit option at fullback, we have Anthony Milford. It doesn't matter how well Boyd could play, only how much better he can play than what Milford would offer. Best case scenario I don't think it's a lot, and you'd be paying an awful lot for that small premium.

I'm sure someone will say Milford can play five-eight, but whatever you are paying Boyd you are essentially paying for a five eight, at which point better outside options are there, as well as the two big internal ones.

I hate Boyd, don't want him at the club at all. But I do think he could be an excellent player again. The problem is, that is of little value to us. In a no salary cap world, then sign him up, but how anyone can justify Boyd is beyond me.

That seems a bit strong don't you think, you actually hate the bloke ? I can understand why people might not support Boyds return, well to some degree I can. I thought he was a good player when he last served the Broncos. The Broncos have not made him an offer, have not spent a cent yet but people are banging on about how much he is going to cost us. AP has claimed we will pay him 3/4 of a million dollars a season ! I do not believe for a second that we will pay Boyd even half of that. Firstly, we are the ones in a good bargaining position....Boyd may want to return home. I note Boyd himself has not said anything publicly about his future plans and WB has stated he has not spoken to Boyd about his future either so on what is this hysteria based ? Until we have something concrete, shouldn't we just discuss it calmly without 'hate' ?

 

[Ari Gold]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

My points weren't filled with hate. Aside from the one section where I admitted I hate him, I don't think you could call my post tainted by hate. In fact, I actually said that I think he could be an excellent player again. Hardly a remark filled with hate and the entire content of my post was based on the fact that whilst he can overall be an excellent player at the position, he would only improve our performance in that position by a marginal amount.

But since you asked, yes, I hate him. Not to the level I'd hate a terrorist or a rapist etc., but the bloke fucking shits me. And he will continue to do so even if he never plays for the Broncos again.

 

[Anonymous person]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

First it was "Wayne Bennett doesn't play favourites, he won't bring Boyd to the Broncos because we already have 4 fullbacks. If he did he would play wing", then he unsurprisingly makes his intentions if bringing Boyd and having him play fullback known and it changes to "he will only pay him less than half his current wage anyway" lol.

Boyd, the coaches golden child, the coach who decides who we make offers to and how much, will not offer him a contract that is less than half of what he signed him to for the last 2 contracts. Why do people think he will? As you guys keep pointing out, hes a current Qld and Aus rep who won a Clive Churchill medal, so he's worth big money. It's like his dad is the one who decides his wage, and his dad clearly is looking out for his best interests by guaranteeing him a job and first choice position everywhere he goes.

Boyd will sign with us for ~$750k a year.

 

[Huge]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

First it was "Wayne Bennett doesn't play favourites, he won't bring Boyd to the Broncos because we already have 4 fullbacks. If he did he would play wing", then he unsurprisingly makes his intentions if bringing Boyd and having him play fullback known and it changes to "he will only pay him less than half his current wage anyway" lol.

Boyd, the coaches golden child, the coach who decides who we make offers to and how much, will not offer him a contract that is less than half of what he signed him to for the last 2 contracts. Why do people think he will? As you guys keep pointing out, hes a current Qld and Aus rep who won a Clive Churchill medal, so he's worth big money. It's like his dad is the one who decides his wage, and his dad clearly is looking out for his best interests by guaranteeing him a job and first choice position everywhere he goes.

Boyd will sign with us for ~$750k a year.

As usual you get it wrong. WB may point to players he would like to have on his roster but he most certainly does not decide how much and/or for how long. The Broncos are a business first and foremost and as such have employees who have the duty of the financial administration of the company. They will in all likely hood make an offer to Boyd for his consideration and between his family and manager and himself will decide if it's enough.

Ap, you are very good at ignoring posts that catch you out lying, just like the last one in which you claim, Barba out scored all the Broncos and most of the competition. How about a response to your erroneous and outrageous claim ?

We do not have four fullbacks, we have only one makeshift one in Hoffman and the useless Hodges( at least at fullback )