Barba vs Boyd

[Anonymous person]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

He didn't win it for catching bombs though. He won it for his attack. Now his attack has slowed down and he isn't the same player he once was. His catching ability gives the opposition too much of an advantage already. He is not a fullback, anymore.

He won it for his overall play. You don't win a Dally M Player of the Year by being terrible in even one category.

He was playing injured this year, and moved to a new club that has a completely different style of play and skillset that does not suit his game.

He is a fullback, and to claim hes not shows just how little you know about football.

 

[Cult]

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He won it for his overall play. You don't win a Dally M Player of the Year by being terrible in even one category.

He was playing injured this year, and moved to a new club that has a completely different style of play and skillset that does not suit his game.

He is a fullback, and to claim hes not shows just how little you know about football.

He was a fullback. He was terrible at catching bombs. But now everyone knows it and will use it to their advantage. Like they already did this year. But whatever, man. I don't care anymore. No use having a discussion with people who don't listen to anything else.

 

[Socnorb]

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Jesus christ it was a tiny off the cuff comment that was used for effect - even in Barbas worst year before he joined us he still scored a tonne of tries. the fact that you could name a single player that beat him is irrelevant. it wasnt an outrageous claim lol.

also we do have four fullbacks - milford, barba, hoffman, hodges (in bennetts eyes). even without hodges, cause playing him there permanently would be idiotic, we have 3.


i agree, but we've had page after page of people saying how him winning a clive churchill medal and being picked every year for QLD shows how great of a player he is, so he must be worth top dollar.


if milford doesnt play fullback then barba should.

Barba won a freaking dally M for christs sake lol. hes a brilliant fullback, definitely better than boyd. did boyd win a dally m? no, he won a man of the match once lol.


IIRC cameron smith played all his juniors in the halves too, doesn't mean hes not a better hooker.


Barba was better than Boyd in 2012.
Barba was better than Boyd in 2013.
Barba was better than Boyd in 2014.

Care to explain? Has Boyd been depressed for 3 years?

Who are these morons who keep picking Boyd for Australia and Queensland. Meninga, McCarthy, Pffft. Never heard of them.
They should have you picking those sides AP.

 

[Porthoz]

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So Boyd says to Newcastle, I'm staying and taking the 600k. Newcastle says, are you up to it ? How do you feel,will you be able to put in your best efforts ? Boyd...don't know ,maybe, but you know depression is a tough thing so ,maybe.....

Isn't it possible in that case that Newcastle would say, maybe we would be better off without Boyd but we can't sack him because we would still have to pay him out. What if we let him go and give him 200 k ? We would still be 400 k better off and he could **** off to the Broncos

Even if that happened, which is highly unlikely (look at Milford's example), it still would be $400K of the Broncos cap, when we have 5 fullbacks (Milford, Barba, Hoffman, Hodges and Eden) and another 2 very promising ones coming through. No way this would be justified, ever!

I find it amusing that Boyd's depression is an excuse for his under-performing, yet Barba's psychological issues (for which he was also treated btw) are ignored, as well as his ankle injury, the fact he was bulked up, and the fact he was playing in a completely different tactical (if we can call it that) set-up than he was used to.

He didn't win it for catching bombs though. He won it for his attack. Now his attack has slowed down and he isn't the same player he once was. His catching ability gives the opposition too much of an advantage already. He is not a fullback, anymore.

You keep banging about his bomb catching issues, but since you insist in ignoring everything else, I'm gonna have to annoy you again by repeating the same thing...

He doesn't only have attack, he is one of the best fullbacks defensively otherwise, easily out-performing Boyd in the try saving and positioning categories, is way more talented, has better passing, better kicking, is more elusive and without the extra weight and ankle injury, probably faster than Boyd.

After his spell at the Knights, Boyd is even less of a fullback, but he still does a job as a winger, outside of Inglis and Thursto...

 

[Porthoz]

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Who are these morons who keep picking Boyd for Australia and Queensland. Meninga, McCarthy, Pffft. Never heard of them.
They should have you picking those sides AP.

Is Boyd coming to play wing at the Broncos? I must have missed that announcement...

 

[Cult]

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You keep banging about his bomb catching issues, but since you insist in ignoring everything else, I'm gonna have to annoy you again by repeating the same thing...

He doesn't only have attack, he is one of the best fullbacks defensively otherwise, easily out-performing Boyd in the try saving and positioning categories, is way more talented, has better passing, better kicking, is more elusive and without the extra weight and ankle injury, probably faster than Boyd.

After his spell at the Knights, Boyd is even less of a fullback, but he still does a job as a winger, outside of Inglis and Thursto...

He wouldn't have had to save those tries if he didn't give them a repeat set inside our 20. Yeah, I'm the one ignoring things. I've just pointed out a major advantage for another team to have and I know know very little about rugby league, apparently. Imagine what these professional coaches can point out and utilize to their advantage when it comes to Barbas deficiencies.

 

[Anonymous person]

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Who are these morons who keep picking Boyd for Australia and Queensland. Meninga, McCarthy, Pffft. Never heard of them.
They should have you picking those sides AP.

Once you're in the team its hard to not get picked again unless your team starts losing consecutive years. This is how rep teams have been done in the NRL for years. Many players in the QLD and AUS teams haven't deserved selection for years.

They should have me picking the teams, I'd damn sure pick a better team than they do because I wouldn't reward mediocrity just because you were there 12 months ago.

He wouldn't have had to save those tries if he didn't give them a repeat set inside our 20. Yeah, I'm the one ignoring things. I've just pointed out a major advantage for another team to have and I know know very little about rugby league, apparently. Imagine what these professional coaches can point out and utilize to their advantage when it comes to Barbas deficiencies.

you talk about bombs like he drops every single one, and always has. watch his other years, did he drop every bomb then too? the bulldogs made a GF with him at the back, so he cant have been that bad?

 

[Foordy]

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He wouldn't have had to save those tries if he didn't give them a repeat set inside our 20. Yeah, I'm the one ignoring things. I've just pointed out a major advantage for another team to have and I know know very little about rugby league, apparently. Imagine what these professional coaches can point out and utilize to their advantage when it comes to Barbas deficiencies.

And Boyd was good under the high ball this year? wow, i must have been watching a different Boyd to you, because he was shocking...

I know, I know ... he had depression, wasn't getting paid (his TPA's) etc. but if your going to use those excuses for Boyd you have to use them for Barba.

FTR, i don't Barba to play full back next year, i want Milford to with Barba at 5/8.

 

[Cult]

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Is Boyd coming to play wing at the Broncos? I must have missed that announcement...

I love it how some people are chastised about their constant smart ass responses, but this is ok. I wonder if it was you who would comment on B4Ls facetiousness?

 

[Cult]

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And Boyd was good under the high ball this year? wow, i must have been watching a different Boyd to you, because he was shocking...

I know, I know ... he had depression, wasn't getting paid (his TPA's) etc. but if your going to use those excuses for Boyd you have to use them for Barba.

FTR, i don't Barba to play full back next year, i want Milford to with Barba at 5/8.

And I've said numerous times that I'd prefer Boyd on the wing. Someone has to balance out the negatives that you and AP constantly repeat.

 

[Socnorb]

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Is Boyd coming to play wing at the Broncos? I must have missed that announcement...

Huh? the point AP, you and others have made is that "leon Bot/ lady gaga" could've done Boyd's job at origin and test level.
What I'm say is that Meninga,McCarty and Bennett see it differently. one or two lucky rep games can be discounted as we've seen. but when you've racked up as many as DB you have to admit that Meninga,McCarty and Bennett are seeing something you guys are not.
In regard to position, Boyd at fullback at 90% will be our best option.

 

[Porthoz]

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He wouldn't have had to save those tries if he didn't give them a repeat set inside our 20. Yeah, I'm the one ignoring things. I've just pointed out a major advantage for another team to have and I know know very little about rugby league, apparently. Imagine what these professional coaches can point out and utilize to their advantage when it comes to Barbas deficiencies.

I have not seen anyone denying that Barba has an issue catching bombs. I have however not seen you acknowledge Barba is better at pretty much everything else than Boyd.

You're essentially saying that catching bombs trumps everything else when it comes to determine a fullback's worth...

 

[Financeguy]

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To me its simple.

If all we had was Hoffman then i would be all for getting Boyd to play fullback as i actually think he is a better fullback than Hoffman.

If all we had was Milford and Hoffman i'd still be in favour of getting Boyd because Milf can play 5/8th and Hoffman can play wing or **** off.

The fact is we have Milford and Barba who i am pretty sure are contracted to us for the next 2 seasons. To me, both of those players need to be in the starting 13 and only to be replaced by injury or a very long period of sever bad form. Which one plays in the number 1 jersey and which one plays in the 6 would be up for debate. They are 2 marquee players who imo have the best value as starting players.

Boyd as a fullback is surplus to current requirements. If there was no bias by our coach, Boyd would be looked upon as a 2017 season option should Barba/Milford fail in the fullback role.

If someone like RTS from the Roosters knocked on our door and wanted a gig for next year at fullback he wouldnt be given the time of day even though he arguably provides as much benefit as Boyd.

 

[Porthoz]

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Huh? the point AP, you and others have made is that "leon Bot/ lady gaga" could've done Boyd's job at origin and test level.
What I'm say is that Meninga,McCarty and Bennett see it differently. one or two lucky rep games can be discounted as we've seen. but when you've racked up as many as DB you have to admit that Meninga,McCarty and Bennett are seeing something you guys are not.
In regard to position, Boyd at fullback at 90% will be our best option.

Please point me to the post where I said that or anything similar?

There is absolutely no reason to take Boyd's rep jumpers away, as he has been doing the job quite well on the wing, and has the advantage of routine with the guys inside him. You cannot deny he has a pretty cushy job outside Inglis and Thursto (previously Locky as well) though, nor that another good winger would do a lesser job.

Sorry, but Boyd at 90% would be 3rd best option as the Broncos Fullback or even 4th if Barba, Milford and Hodges performed at 90% as well.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

To me its simple.

If all we had was Hoffman then i would be all for getting Boyd to play fullback as i actually think he is a better fullback than Hoffman.

If all we had was Milford and Hoffman i'd still be in favour of getting Boyd because Milf can play 5/8th and Hoffman can play wing or **** off.

The fact is we have Milford and Barba who i am pretty sure are contracted to us for the next 2 seasons. To me, both of those players need to be in the starting 13 and only to be replaced by injury or a very long period of sever bad form. Which one plays in the number 1 jersey and which one plays in the 6 would be up for debate. They are 2 marquee players who imo have the best value as starting players.

Boyd as a fullback is surplus to current requirements. If there was no bias by our coach, Boyd would be looked upon as a 2017 season option should Barba/Milford fail in the fullback role.

If someone like RTS from the Roosters knocked on our door and wanted a gig for next year at fullback he wouldnt be given the time of day even though he arguably provides as much benefit as Boyd.

Pretty sure at least one of the Nikorimas would do the job...

Btw, RTS shits all over Boyd already, and is only going to get better. Despite losing SBW, the chooks will be a scary proposition next season with him at the back.

 

[Financeguy]

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Pretty sure at least one of the Nikorimas would do the job...

Btw, RTS shits all over Boyd already, and is only going to get better. Despite losing SBW, the chooks will be a scary proposition next season with him at the back.

Wasn't quite my point whether RTS is better or not. More to say that Bennett isn't bringing Boyd across because our current fullback options are poor, he is bringing him across because he is Boyd.

 

[Cult]

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I have not seen anyone denying that Barba has an issue catching bombs. I have however not seen you acknowledge Barba is better at pretty much everything else than Boyd.

You're essentially saying that catching bombs trumps everything else when it comes to determine a fullback's worth...

It's kind of one of those necessary things for a fullback to have. We can't win games by giving other teams consecutive sets in our 20. Our only hope would be for Barba to have a few try savers. I won't acknowledge that, because it isn't true. Barba couldn't even get around Fittler with 9 people on the field and he didn't get any faster throughout the year. We have to stop bringing up Barbas wonder years because he is not that same player and doesn't have the luxury of a huge forward pack who draw in half the team with the ball.

Boyd would be utilized better by the Broncos at fullback than Barba would. I would like to see Barba on the bench coming on to play hooker for a bit where we can utilize this amazing defense he has. Also meaning McCullough can get a break because there's no way he's an 80 minute hooker at the moment.

 

[Socnorb]

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Please point me to the post where I said that or anything similar?

There is absolutely no reason to take Boyd's rep jumpers away, as he has been doing the job quite well on the wing, and has the advantage of routine with the guys inside him. You cannot deny he has a pretty cushy job outside Inglis and Thursto (previously Locky as well) though, nor that another good winger would do a lesser job.

Sorry, but Boyd at 90% would be 3rd best option as the Broncos Fullback or even 4th if Barba, Milford and Hodges performed at 90% as well.

here is where you said it
As said above, I was confused with Inglis, who was the guy who won the Clive Churchill in the 5/8 spot.
Regardless, most of his career honours have been due to his cushy ride next to Inglis on the wing, which is where he belongs imo.