Barba vs Boyd

[Huge]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Once you're in the team its hard to not get picked again unless your team starts losing consecutive years. This is how rep teams have been done in the NRL for years. Many players in the QLD and AUS teams haven't deserved selection for years.

They should have me picking the teams, I'd damn sure pick a better team than they do because I wouldn't reward mediocrity just a because you were there 12 months ago.


you talk about bombs like he drops every single one, and always has. watch his other years, did he drop every bomb then too? the bulldogs made a GF with him at the back, so he cant have been that bad?

Lol...you're good you are ! You love to try and have it both ways...you argue how great Barba was ( 2011/12 etc) when it suits you and then you come out with the bolded statement.... What a hypocrite !

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

It's kind of one of those necessary things for a fullback to have. We can't win games by giving other teams consecutive sets in our 20. Our only hope would be for Barba to have a few try savers. I won't acknowledge that, because it isn't true. Barba couldn't even get around Fittler with 9 people on the field and he didn't get any faster throughout the year. We have to stop bringing up Barbas wonder years because he is not that same player and doesn't have the luxury of a huge forward pack who draw in half the team with the ball.

Boyd would be utilized better by the Broncos at fullback than Barba would. I would like to see Barba on the bench coming on to play hooker for a bit where we can utilize this amazing defense he has. Also meaning McCullough can get a break because there's no way he's an 80 minute hooker at the moment.

Okay, since we're going to argue isolated moments, without looking at the circumstances... I'm gonna argue that Barba is better than Boyd under the bombs because he doesn't run away from them, as Boyd did this year!

Stop bringing up Boyd's wonder years, because he has consistently been worse than Barba in the last 3 seasons.

 

[Cult]

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Okay, since we're going to argue isolated moments, without looking at the circumstances... I'm gonna argue that Barba is better than Boyd under the bombs because he doesn't run away from them, as Boyd did this year!

Stop bringing up Boyd's wonder years, because he has consistently been worse than Barba in the last 3 seasons.

Yeah you've said that. Numerous times. As I said, there's no use arguing with you and AP about this topic. At the end of the day, I'm happy with this club so I don't really care what you think. Therefore, I win :)

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

here is where you said it
As said above, I was confused with Inglis, who was the guy who won the Clive Churchill in the 5/8 spot.
Regardless, most of his career honours have been due to his cushy ride next to Inglis on the wing, which is where he belongs imo.

What's wrong or untrue about that?
How many tries did you see Boyd create, or even score as a result of his own brilliance? He merely finished what was handed to him on a silver platter. He did do it well though, and I never implied his rep jumper should be taken away from him.

The above doesn't in any way make him the fullback of choice for the Broncos though!

 

[Porthoz]

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Lol...you're good you are ! You love to try and have it both ways...you argue how great Barba was ( 2011/12 etc) when it suits you and then you come out with the bolded statement.... What a hypocrite !

Yes, because your selectivity in answering doesn't make you one...

 

[Unbreakable]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

I actually can't believe how big the divide is between everyone in regards to Barba vs Boyd.. of course everyone is allowed a preference, but some of you are just being ridiculous, they're both quality players at the peak of their powers, most other clubs would be extremely pleased to have any of the 3 Fullbacks we look like having next year, and we're sitting here fighting like schools girls about who's won more Dally M's and Premierships..

We should be counting our blessings that we've got such a wide variety of options for next year, regardless of which two of the three start in the spine alongside Hunt & McCullough next year, I'll be super hyped.

 

[Porthoz]

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Yeah you've said that. Numerous times. As I said, there's no use arguing with you and AP about this topic. At the end of the day, I'm happy with this club so I don't really care what you think. Therefore, I win :)

In other words, you have nothing.

As I said at the start of all this, I knew you would beat me... with experience! :takdir:

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

I actually can't believe how big the divide is between everyone in regards to Barba vs Boyd.. of course everyone is allowed a preference, but some of you are just being ridiculous, they're both quality players at the peak of their powers, most other clubs would be extremely pleased to have any of the 3 Fullbacks we look like having next year, and we're sitting here fighting like schools girls about who's won more Dally M's and Premierships..

We should be counting our blessings that we've got such a wide variety of options for next year, regardless of which two of the three start in the spine alongside Hunt & McCullough next year, I'll be super hyped.

Although I consider Boyd well below the other 2, that is absolutely true.

There's only this small matter of $600K p/season and the strong possibility that Boyd coming will force one of our promising young stars out...

 

[Cult]

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In other words, you have nothing.

As I said at the start of all this, I knew you would beat me... with experience! :takdir:

Oh man. How ridiculous are you? I have sat here and responded to your repeated, agenda filled bullshit and when I got sick of responding to it I apparently have nothing? I've responded to that last statement before, numerous times. You didn't listen. You won't listen.

 

[Huge]

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Yes, because your selectivity in answering doesn't make you one...

Unlike most on here, I always answer. I stand by all my posts. If I have been wrong I have always admitted it. It happens rarely but when it does I'm man enough to admit to making a mistake. Others however blatantly lie and then when outed for it still defend it ! I am not selective, I will answer any query. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

 

[Porthoz]

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Oh man. How ridiculous are you? I have sat here and responded to your repeated, agenda filled bullshit and when I got sick of responding to it I apparently have nothing? I've responded to that last statement before, numerous times. You didn't listen. You won't listen.

Sorry master... didn't realise I had to.

I rebated every single one of your answers with facts and opinions.

- You don't have an answer to why we should spend $600K a season on a rep winger to play at fullback when we have a wealth of choices.
- You cannot deny Boyd has been worse than Barba every season since 2012.

The only thing you have, is the "agenda filled bullshit" to support Bennett's words that you bleated ad nauseum:
Barba can't catch bombs and is apparently unable to go back to his best, unlike Boyd who magically will.

Even if you're entitled to your opinion about using Barba as the utility hooker from the bench, and Boyd being a better option under Bennett's system and our forward pack (which I strongly disagree with), you can't justify bringing Boyd in at his price, given all the other options on the table.

 

[Huge]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Jesus christ it was a tiny off the cuff comment that was used for effect - even in Barbas worst year before he joined us he still scored a tonne of tries. the fact that you could name a single player that beat him is irrelevant. it wasnt an outrageous claim lol.

also we do have four fullbacks - milford, barba, hoffman, hodges (in bennetts eyes). even without hodges, cause playing him there permanently would be idiotic, we have 3.


i agree, but we've had page after page of people saying how him winning a clive churchill medal and being picked every year for QLD shows how great of a player he is, so he must be worth top dollar.


if milford doesnt play fullback then barba should.

Barba won a freaking dally M for christs sake lol. hes a brilliant fullback, definitely better than boyd. did boyd win a dally m? no, he won a man of the match once lol.


IIRC cameron smith played all his juniors in the halves too, doesn't mean hes not a better hooker.


Barba was better than Boyd in 2012.
Barba was better than Boyd in 2013.
Barba was better than Boyd in 2014.

Care to explain? Has Boyd been depressed for 3 years?

You claimed that Barba scored more than any Bronco player...and that was false. Barba did not score a tonne of tries, he in fact scored only 10. There were not just a few players who scored more than him, there were plenty ! And you know what's even more amazing ? Darius Boyd was one of them !!! So, yes not only was the claim factually wrong, it was very very wrong perfectly fitting my claim that it was outrageous. Typical of you that you cannot admit it was wrong and you seek to ameliorate it as well. A tiny off the cuff comment indeed, a stinking lie more precisely.

 

[Porthoz]

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Unlike most on here, I always answer. I stand by all my posts. If I have been wrong I have always admitted it. It happens rarely but when it does I'm man enough to admit to making a mistake. Others however blatantly lie and then when outed for it still defend it ! I am not selective, I will answer any query. I challenge you to prove otherwise.

Once you've finished patting yourself on the back, please justify bringing Boyd in at $600K or even $400K when we have Milford, Barba, Hoffman, Hodges, Eden and the 2 Nikorima boys coming through.

 

[broncos4life]

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I can't believe we are all still arguing about this. In fact people have started arguing about aspects they couldn't possibly know.

No one knows how much the broncos will pay if he signs, yet people are acting like they have read the contract.
I can cop that people may not want Boyd here because they believe he is surplus to needs or just isn't very good. I personally don't agree with that because I think Boyd is a good fullback. I'm not saying he is Inglis, however some people are far to quick to look past how terrible Barba was this year just so they can rant about their hatred for boyd/bennett.

The vitriol and crap that is being spouted by some members of both sides is disgusting and pointless. Everyone knows your agendas now so why can't you give it a rest?

 

[broncos4life]

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Once you've finished patting yourself on the back, please justify bringing Boyd in at $600K or even $400K when we have Milford, Barba, Hoffman, Hodges, Eden and the 2 Nikorima boys coming through.

Milford - Was bought here to play 6, wants to play 6, we need a 6

Barba - Was moved to 6 where he played better than fullback but at the same time didn't set the world on fire. I am in favour of keeping him but I honestly think his fullback days are behind him

Hoffman - The only think he brings to fullback is the ability to pad out your list. Everyone agrees he is a winger/centre and nothing more so why put him on the list

Hodges - Cannot defend at all at fullback and will last 6 games there before his off to the knackery

Eden - Eden? Eden? Oh that's right the guy that has been the butt of most jokes around here who from all reports will be lucky to hold down the fullback spot at Redcliffe.

2 Nikorimas - Both massive unknowns as far as NRL go and one isn't even eligible yet

 

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

I can't believe we are all still arguing about this. In fact people have started arguing about aspects they couldn't possibly know.

No one knows how much the broncos will pay if he signs, yet people are acting like they have read the contract.
I can cop that people may not want Boyd here because they believe he is surplus to needs or just isn't very good. I personally don't agree with that because I think Boyd is a good fullback. I'm not saying he is Inglis, however some people are far to quick to look past how terrible Barba was this year just so they can rant about their hatred for boyd/bennett.

The vitriol and crap that is being spouted by some members of both sides is disgusting and pointless. Everyone knows your agendas now so why can't you give it a rest?

Under cap rules, Boyd has to be paid at least his current contract value, which is reportedly $600K. But even if it was only $300K, it still wouldn't be justified, given the players we already have on the roster.

You could say the same about people ignoring how terrible Boyd has been, so they can support Bennett. It's a double edged sword.

FTR, I have no hatred for Wayne or Darius. I just don't see the former as a Messiah, albeit much better than Hook, and while I won't deny Boyd is a good player, he's not better than some of the players we have, simply is not needed now, and even less in the future.

 

[Huge]

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Oh...and for AP..there were in fact 27, yes 27 other players in 2013 who scored more than Ben Barba ! Now will you admit you were just plain wrong ? And just in case you missed it...Darius Boyd was one of them !!!! I don't think for a moment that it proves that Boyd is better or worse, it just proves you were wrong in your silly claim. For the record, I actually would prefer Boyd stays at Newcastle and earns his 600 k there but I still think he is a very good player. We may have some depth at fullback and could probably do without him but I'm not going to bag WB just because he can see some value in him ( not to mention the selectors in both test and origin ) I dare say if we didn't have such depth in the state team at fullback they may very well have selected Boyd in that position.

 

[Socnorb]

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Sorry master... didn't realise I had to.

I rebated every single one of your answers with facts and opinions.

- You don't have an answer to why we should spend $600K a season on a rep winger to play at fullback when we have a wealth of choices.
- You cannot deny Boyd has been worse than Barba every season since 2012.

The only thing you have, is the "agenda filled bull****" to support Bennett's words that you bleated ad nauseum:
Barba can't catch bombs and is apparently unable to go back to his best, unlike Boyd who magically will.

Even if you're entitled to your opinion about using Barba as the utility hooker from the bench, and Boyd being a better option under Bennett's system and our forward pack (which I strongly disagree with), you can't justify bringing Boyd in at his price, given all the other options on the table.

Yeah Porthoz!! why aren't you changing your opinions based on the strengths of our awesome arguments re Boyd:fish: