Barba vs Boyd

[Porthoz]

Re: Wayne Bennett related player movement discussion

Haha because if there's something that will toughen someone up defensively, it's defending in the front line in the NYC..

You mean, as opposed to defending on the edges or fullback in the NYC... which is the only comp he can play in?

 

[Russell Coight]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

No i don't rate Packer at all ... I think we we were looking for a prop his size, we could find better, or make do with what we have coming through the ranks. guys like Molo, Garbutt, Ofahengaue, Hala etc

Hala has had his chances and shown absolutely nothing.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

I'm a yes man because I don't think the sky is falling and appreciate what he has done in the past? Right, well.. I'd rather be happy about this than whinge and bitch on a forum. Write a letter, dude. He's going to do what he wants and we will be successful from it, and even if we're not I'm still not going to bitch about it to the extent of a few people on here.

Looking at it from a few view points

Barba- Terrible this year and did nothing for most of the season. Will never play fullback again. Played well when moved to the halves.
Milford- Wants to play in the halves. Better than Barba in that position too.
Hoffman- Quality ball returns and can catch a bomb. Slows down after his first hit up and is slower for the rest of the game.
Eden- Don't know a lot about him. Probably won't get a run.
Hodges- Bad defensively, can't catch anything under his belly button. Gigantic turning circle. Can set up tries though.
Boyd- Can catch when motivated. Fast. Defends better than BHQ says. Will probably make the Broncos lose some "fans". Not the flashiest. Somehow made it on the wing for Queensland because of his form at fullback. Must be terrible.

The way I see it, unless we kick Ben Hunt out, we want to keep Milf happy so a move to the halves is on the cards, taking Barbas spot. Boyd is wayyyyyyyyy better than Barba, otherwise Barba would have taken that QLD and AUS wing spot off Boyd. Barba will hopefully get that bench utility spot and push his way back into the 13.

1 Boyd
2 Hoffman
3 Copely
4 Hodges
5 Vidot
6 Milford
14 Barba.

= More wins, hopefully a grand final.

You win mate. I cannot argue with that sentence in bold kind of logic... and if I tried, you'd beat me with experience!

 

[Cult]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

You win mate. I cannot argue with that sentence in bold kind of logic... and if I tried, you'd beat me with experience!

Not like you to just pick one part to respond to, mate.

 

[Super Freak]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

**** it's good to see Wayne in that Broncos shirt again.

 

[Super Freak]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

Boyd- Can catch when motivated. Fast. Defends better than BHQ says. Will probably make the Broncos lose some "fans". Not the flashiest. Somehow made it on the wing for Queensland because of his form at fullback. Must be terrible

He wasn't playing at fullback when he started playing on the wing for QLD.

He was playing as a centre/winger...where he belongs.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

Not like you to just pick one part to respond to, mate.

Well, that part in bold is the reason why I didn't bother to replay to the rest. You should take a hint...

It's logic I won't try to compete with. I mean what's the logic in saying that the fact that Barba can't beat Boyd to a rep winger's jersey, is probably because he isn't one, as opposed to Boyd who... is, and was when he got his first rep jersey!

And seriously, how can I argue against how Barba was terrible this year, so he will never play fullback again, but Boyd, who was much worse than Barba this season, will be much better when motivated...

I don't want Packer or Boyd at the club because I don't think it will serve the club in any way, which as you know... is equivalent to thinking the sky is falling.

I apologise I'm not a "fan" like you. Unfortunately, I'm not very good at this toeing the line stuff.
I have this terrible flaw; I like to think for myself and come to BHQ mainly to debate my views and opinions against other forum members' opinions. Silly, I know...

 

[Cult]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

Well, that part in bold is the reason why I didn't bother to replay to the rest. You should take a hint...

It's logic I won't try to compete with. I mean what's the logic in saying that the fact that Barba can't beat Boyd to a rep winger's jersey, is probably because he isn't one, as opposed to Boyd who... is, and was when he got his first rep jersey!

And seriously, how can I argue against how Barba was terrible this year, so he will never play fullback again, but Boyd, who was much worse than Barba this season, will be much better when motivated...

I don't want Packer or Boyd at the club because I don't think it will serve the club in any way, which as you know... is equivalent to thinking the sky is falling.

I apologise I'm not a "fan" like you. Unfortunately, I'm not very good at this toeing the line stuff.
I have this terrible flaw; I like to think for myself and come to BHQ mainly to debate my views and opinions against other forum members' opinions. Silly, I know...

That whole logic sentence makes no sense. Boyd wasn't just handed that rep jersey when he first got it, he had to earn it. I can't even answer the question I think you attempted to ask because I don't understand it.

Barba proved to everyone who watched rugby league this year that he can not catch a high bomb. This, in turn gives every team an advantage that no coach in the universe would want to give the opposition. Even Hook eventually realized he wasn't right for the job. Boyd had a shit season but Barba did nothing until he was moved to five eight. Boyd has been consistently better than Barba and will fit our style of play better. Because he won't have giants who bring in half the opposition when they have the ball. Why does that make no sense?

I don't want Packer here either, but Cleary and Stone want him too. Obviously they're geriatric old men too? I think not. If you're willing to not be a fan because we sign Boyd and/or Packer (Because someone said that earlier) then you're right in apologizing because you're in no way a fan.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

That whole logic sentence makes no sense. Boyd wasn't just handed that rep jersey when he first got it, he had to earn it. I can't even answer the question I think you attempted to ask because I don't understand it.

Barba proved to everyone who watched rugby league this year that he can not catch a high bomb. This, in turn gives every team an advantage that no coach in the universe would want to give the opposition. Even Hook eventually realized he wasn't right for the job. Boyd had a shit season but Barba did nothing until he was moved to five eight. Boyd has been consistently better than Barba and will fit our style of play better. Because he won't have giants who bring in half the opposition when they have the ball. Why does that make no sense?

I don't want Packer here either, but Cleary and Stone want him too. Obviously they're geriatric old men too? I think not. If you're willing to not be a fan because we sign Boyd and/or Packer (Because someone said that earlier) then you're right in apologizing because you're in no way a fan.

This is the logic:
Boyd earned a rep jersey as a winger when he was playing on the wing at his club. He does the job quite well, and is admittedly a much better winger than Barba will ever be. Not sure why should Barba, who has never played wing in his life, take that spot? Unless you think that wing and fullback are the same thing?

Boyd has not been consistently better than Barba is this or even a previous life.
You and other people talk about his prowess under the high ball, which is admittedly Ben's weakness, and also the only thing Boyd is better than Barba at.
Barba saves more tries, scores more tries, sets up more tries, passes better, kicks better, is more elusive and as fast, if not faster than Boyd (when slimmed down to a normal weight). His weakness under the high ball did not stop him from winning the fullback Dally M, and the only reason he didn't get the Qld fullback spot at the time, is because there's a guy called Billy Slater hogging the jersey with the 1 on the back.

Hook eventually realised that having Barba doing both Fullback and 5/8 duties didn't work with Hoffman stifling almost every attack that went to our left side, besides mining Barba's already suffering confidence. So he put the guy with a clue at 5/8 and our left side started working better, more so when they put a guy with a clue at fullback as well.

I don't know who should wear the 1 or 6 out of Barba and Milford, as there is a whole pre-season to determine that, but for now, with the form Milford showed and the combinations starting to work between Hunt and Barba, the only logical thing to do, is to leave Barba at 6 and Milford at 1, even if the kid prefers to play in the halves. Boyd really doesn't hold a candle to either of them.

I never mentioned anything about stopping supporting my team, regardless of the decisions they make, but it will be a sad sad day if scum like Packer ever wears the proud Broncos jersey, and although I will always remain a Broncos fan, it's likely I won't renew my membership or go to a live game if that happens.
It has nothing to do with the coaches choices or Packer's value as a player (which he doesn't have either in my view), but with my morals and values!

Btw, being a yes man does not make you a better fan than anyone else...

 

[Cult]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

This is the logic:
Boyd earned a rep jersey as a winger when he was playing on the wing at his club. He does the job quite well, and is admittedly a much better winger than Barba will ever be. Not sure why should Barba, who has never played wing in his life, take that spot? Unless you think that wing and fullback are the same thing?

Boyd has not been consistently better than Barba is this or even a previous life.
You and other people talk about his prowess under the high ball, which is admittedly Ben's weakness, and also the only thing Boyd is better than Barba at.
Barba saves more tries, scores more tries, sets up more tries, passes better, kicks better, is more elusive and as fast, if not faster than Boyd (when slimmed down to a normal weight). His weakness under the high ball did not stop him from winning the fullback Dally M, and the only reason he didn't get the Qld fullback spot at the time, is because there's a guy called Billy Slater hogging the jersey with the 1 on the back.

Hook eventually realised that having Barba doing both Fullback and 5/8 duties didn't work with Hoffman stifling almost every attack that went to our left side, besides mining Barba's already suffering confidence. So he put the guy with a clue at 5/8 and our left side started working better, more so when they put a guy with a clue at fullback as well.

I don't know who should wear the 1 or 6 out of Barba and Milford, as there is a whole pre-season to determine that, but for now, with the form Milford showed and the combinations starting to work between Hunt and Barba, the only logical thing to do, is to leave Barba at 6 and Milford at 1, even if the kid prefers to play in the halves. Boyd really doesn't hold a candle to either of them.

I never mentioned anything about stopping supporting my team, regardless of the decisions they make, but it will be a sad sad day if scum like Packer ever wears the proud Broncos jersey, and although I will always remain a Broncos fan, it's likely I won't renew my membership or go to a live game if that happens.
It has nothing to do with the coaches choices or Packer's value as a player (which he doesn't have either in my view), but with my morals and values!

Btw, being a yes man does not make you a better fan than anyone else...

And no winger has come and taken it off him. ****, Boyd would be fullback for QLD too if there weren't other players in front of him and would still be ahead of Barba for contention. Boyd also has been better with what we can give him. Barba has shown he is not a fullback anymore and until we have three forwards who can draw in numerous players and then offload. Barba might have saved more tries but the other things are because of who he is surrounded by. Barba was terrible for most of the year and doesn't have ownership on a starting spot at all.

I'm not a yes man. Bennett and the Broncos have done a lot that I have disagreed with. I'm a fan of the club. Not whom they sign. So far, during this current stint Bennett has done nothing wrong. And signing Boyd, in my opinion isn't wrong. You guys went into this whole Bennett thing with negative opinions from the start. Even the facts that have been thrown around haven't swayed your opinions the slightest. Not that I'm trying to sway your decision. But there's no in between with you guys. I can see the negatives and positives of signing these guys, all you guys have talked about is the negatives. It's getting kind of old.

 

[Porthoz]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

And no winger has come and taken it off him. ****, Boyd would be fullback for QLD too if there weren't other players in front of him and would still be ahead of Barba for contention. Boyd also has been better with what we can give him. Barba has shown he is not a fullback anymore and until we have three forwards who can draw in numerous players and then offload. Barba might have saved more tries but the other things are because of who he is surrounded by. Barba was terrible for most of the year and doesn't have ownership on a starting spot at all.

Sorry, but I have no better description to this paragraph, than... delusion.

I'm not a yes man. Bennett and the Broncos have done a lot that I have disagreed with. I'm a fan of the club. Not whom they sign. So far, during this current stint Bennett has done nothing wrong. And signing Boyd, in my opinion isn't wrong. You guys went into this whole Bennett thing with negative opinions from the start. Even the facts that have been thrown around haven't swayed your opinions the slightest. Not that I'm trying to sway your decision. But there's no in between with you guys. I can see the negatives and positives of signing these guys, all you guys have talked about is the negatives. It's getting kind of old.

Say what? That's a load of crap!

Speaking for myself, this is what I have disagreed with:

- The way Anthony Griffin was stabbed in the back by someone who always preached he would never take a job at a club with a current coach. FACT
- The way a few stakeholders with a majority of shares went about hiring Bennett and sacking Hook, presenting the board and club's direction with a consummated... FACT.
- The possibility of hiring a criminal who has little regard for human life, besides having pissed himself on the Suncorp turf, which is already vile in itself, but also presented a hygiene hazard to all the Broncos players who tackled him, and to top it off, he deliberately elbowed Darren Lockyer in the face, whom had just recover from a broken cheekbone. FACT
- The likelihood of hiring a $600K winger who will by decree be the fullback, and all the consequences of such a move, making it quite certain we will lose players infinitely more talented than said winger. OPINION

What facts have been thrown around against the above, besides some fantasy about Boyd being better than Barba and even Milford at fullback?

I also have said I expect WB to bring a different mind set and better coaching to the club, and complimented him with his first words as the Broncos coach, which gave me confidence in him doing the best job possible (other than the Boyd and Packer thing).

Please enlighten me about the negatives you see, because I cannot recall you posting anything about them. Also tell me which positives we should talk about that haven't been discussed already and almost everybody agrees with (like Bennett being a better coaching alternative to Griffin), thus causing no debate, which is generally only generated by differences of opinion...

Btw, how does something get old when it is still well and truly being debated by both sides?

You're welcome to disagree and argue your view, but stop the holier than thou bullshit attitude about being a better fan just because you toe the line. If we were all like that, the reason behind this forum would cease to exist.

 

[Cult]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

Sorry, but I have no better description to this paragraph, than... delusion.


Say what? That's a load of crap!

Speaking for myself, this is what I have disagreed with:

- The way Anthony Griffin was stabbed in the back by someone who always preached he would never take a job at a club with a current coach. FACT
- The way a few stakeholders with a majority of shares went about hiring Bennett and sacking Hook, presenting the board and club's direction with a consummated... FACT.
- The possibility of hiring a criminal who has little regard for human life, besides having pissed himself on the Suncorp turf, which is already vile in itself, but also presented a hygiene hazard to all the Broncos players who tackled him, and to top it off, he deliberately elbowed Darren Lockyer in the face, whom had just recover from a broken cheekbone. FACT
- The likelihood of hiring a $600K winger who will by decree be the fullback, and all the consequences of such a move, making it quite certain we will lose players infinitely more talented than said winger. OPINION

What facts have been thrown around against the above, besides some fantasy about Boyd being better than Barba and even Milford at fullback?

I also have said I expect WB to bring a different mind set and better coaching to the club, and complimented him with his first words as the Broncos coach, which gave me confidence in him doing the best job possible (other than the Boyd and Packer thing).

Please enlighten me about the negatives you see, because I cannot recall you posting anything about them. Also tell me which positives we should talk about that haven't been discussed already and almost everybody agrees with (like Bennett being a better coaching alternative to Griffin), thus causing no debate, which is generally only generated by differences of opinion...

Btw, how does something get old when it is still well and truly being debated by both sides?

You're welcome to disagree and argue your view, but stop the holier than thou bullshit attitude about being a better fan just because you toe the line. If we were all like that, the reason behind this forum would cease to exist.

Facts? Haha.. Bennett would have been told that we had no coach for next year as there was absolutely no way Hook was keeping his job. It's getting old because you guys are repeating yourselves, and no I'm not just talking about you. Half of my statements have been aimed at other people, whilst responding to you.

Barba is a shit fullback. It wasn't his defense that won him those accolades, but his attack that came from his forwards dominating. Without that, what did we get? A fullback who can't catch, can't even beat Brad Fittler on the outside, got driven back every single time, slowest play the balls I have ever seen. Barba shouldn't even be in the conversation about fullbacks. Boyd is better, even at his worst. Fact.

Why should positives not be spoken about because they've been brought up already, yet negatives are repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again?

I do disagree and argue my view, but I didn't say I'm a better fan because I agree with some things Bennett is doing. I said I was because I'd never not support this team, which was in response to what someone said earlier about not supporting the club anymore. You've totally made up the reason as to why I said someone wasn't a fan. But I guess that's what happens when you only read what you want to read.

I'm going to sleep.

 

[Splinter]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

Sorry, but I have no better description to this paragraph, than... delusion.


Say what? That's a load of crap!

Speaking for myself, this is what I have disagreed with:

- The way Anthony Griffin was stabbed in the back by someone who always preached he would never take a job at a club with a current coach. FACT
- The way a few stakeholders with a majority of shares went about hiring Bennett and sacking Hook, presenting the board and club's direction with a consummated... FACT.
- The possibility of hiring a criminal who has little regard for human life, besides having pissed himself on the Suncorp turf, which is already vile in itself, but also presented a hygiene hazard to all the Broncos players who tackled him, and to top it off, he deliberately elbowed Darren Lockyer in the face, whom had just recover from a broken cheekbone. FACT
- The likelihood of hiring a $600K winger who will by decree be the fullback, and all the consequences of such a move, making it quite certain we will lose players infinitely more talented than said winger. OPINION

What facts have been thrown around against the above, besides some fantasy about Boyd being better than Barba and even Milford at fullback?

I also have said I expect WB to bring a different mind set and better coaching to the club, and complimented him with his first words as the Broncos coach, which gave me confidence in him doing the best job possible (other than the Boyd and Packer thing).

Please enlighten me about the negatives you see, because I cannot recall you posting anything about them. Also tell me which positives we should talk about that haven't been discussed already and almost everybody agrees with (like Bennett being a better coaching alternative to Griffin), thus causing no debate, which is generally only generated by differences of opinion...

Btw, how does something get old when it is still well and truly being debated by both sides?

You're welcome to disagree and argue your view, but stop the holier than thou bullshit attitude about being a better fan just because you toe the line. If we were all like that, the reason behind this forum would cease to exist.

I think Barba was rejected by the club as a youngster while Bennett was in charge. As far as I know WB has assessments done not only on football but on their ability to overcome pressure situations under duress.
Only what I have heard at one time so may not be true but if it is the case it may well be the reason Barba could end up on the outer.

 

[jarro65]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

my 2 cents ....

Bennett has been brought back into the fold to do a job ... .something Hook couldn't get done at his tenure here.

Now Bennett does indeed favour certain players, and as he said at the presser yesterday, he knows what players he needs to get the results he wants.

Now if that means we have to let Barba go, so be it IMO. I'm a fan of what player Barba has been, but not what he is now. Whether that is a result of poor coaching/lack of fitness, whatever ... who knows. Bennett might even be able to turn him into a confident, successful player again.

Hopefully he can.

Anyway, whoever Wayne brings to the Broncos, i will support and hope upon hope that they can bring us back to the powerhouse we once were .... the team people feared when they played us, especially at Suncorp.

Remember those days people ?

I'm prepared to trust that Wayne knows what he's doing.

He's done it before.

 

[Nashy]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

Anyone would be better than Barba at FB at the moment. Bring Boyd back, I don't care. Milford is still a good 6.

 

[Rabbir]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

6. Milford
10. A legitimate prop
13. Parker

That makes our side better already.

 

[jarro65]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

As long as Milford has a chance to run the ball, he'll do well wherever he plays.

 

[Unbreakable]

Re: The Wayne Bennett Super thread!

I think the reason that Milford didn't look as good at Five-Eighth for the Raiders was their lack of good players.. he had to work with a spine of something like.. Buttriss, McCrone, Rapana?

Compare that to McCullough, Hunt, Boyd.. I think it's glaringly obvious which spine would give him quality enough ball and support to excel at Five-Eighth.