Barba vs Boyd

I choose to give him a clean slate after recent events, and I choose to believe he can go back to playing his best footy with a clear head.

Please don't hate me :spy:
 
Big Pete said:
How many times was that specifically?



He may not have performed to his perceived potential but that doesn't necessarily mean Kurt Gidley out-performed him.

A lot of Knights fans didn't think much of Kidley's season either.
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He ran away twice that I can recall, but that's not the reason I said this as I mentioned earlier. It does however, emphasise the point I am trying to make about putting the effort in, besides how crap his defensive positioning at the back was for most of the season.
Kidley isn't worth much nowadays, but I dare you to find anyone saying he didn't try and give his best.

To me, half-arsed efforts at this level are inexcusable, and Boyd's season was filled with them.
 
Re: 2015 Halves

Foordy said:
On Barba he actually saved more tries than any other fullback this year.
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He was also more than likely given more opportunities to make more try savers with our shitty defense..
 
Big Pete said:
I'm struggling to see your point.

I gave two examples which is more than I can say for Kurt.

I don't understand where you're coming from on Boyd not doing his job. Even during his 'quiet' games, Boyd would get through as much work as Kidley and was rarely a liability at the back. I cannot say the same for Mamo who physically didn't appear to be ready to handle the week to week grind and has issues with his hands.

I don't have a dog in the fight between Boyd and Barba but this point about Kidley being a better option has no basis as far as I can tell.
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Don't you remember? He ran away from the ball once or twice. Something Kurt Gidley never had to do whilst sitting on the sideline for ages every year.
 
Porthoz said:
Kidley isn't worth much nowadays, but I dare you to find anyone saying he didn't try and give his best.
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Point taken.

However, I don't believe that means that Kurt Gidley was better last season or deserved to be selected over Boyd. That would be like arguing that since Jarryd Hayne wasn't performing to potential in 2010-2013 he should have been dropped for Justin Hunt or somebody of that ilk because they try harder.

On the surface, Bennett was completely justified to retain Boyd at fullback.
 
Cult3 said:
Don't you remember? He ran away from the ball once or twice. Something Kurt Gidley never had to do whilst sitting on the sideline for ages every year.
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Just on this, I only remember the one occasion against the Cowboys in Round 5.

Hot tip for anybody campaigning against Boyd - there's a lot of material in that game alone to hold against Darius.
 
Big Pete said:
Point taken.

However, I don't believe that means that Kurt Gidley was better last season or deserved to be selected over Boyd. That would be like arguing that since Jarryd Hayne wasn't performing to potential in 2010-2013 he should have been dropped for Justin Hunt or somebody of that ilk because they try harder.

On the surface, Bennett was completely justified to retain Boyd at fullback.
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It's not about trying harder, it's about not trying enough. There is a huge difference!
I'm not going to replace a quality player just because he hasn't shown the form he is capable of, or because there is another one that works harder.
I will however, kick a player out of the team as soon as he's not putting in the effort that is minimally required.

It wasn't just the bombs he ran away from. It's the tackles he didn't even try to do, the chases he didn't attempt, and the passivity of his game in general most of the season. He just looked like he didn't want to be there... and whatever reasons or justifications he may have had for it, Bennett should've put someone there that did want to play and give his best!

[MENTION=8468]Cult3[/MENTION], you should really leave this conversation to the grown-ups... it's embarrassing to read your attempts at sarcasm.
 
Porthoz said:
It's not about trying harder, it's about not trying enough. There is a huge difference!
I'm not going to replace a quality player just because he hasn't shown the form he is capable of, or because there is another one that works harder.
I will however, kick a player out of the team as soon as he's not putting in the effort that is minimally required.

It wasn't just the bombs he ran away from. It's the tackles he didn't even try to do, the chases he didn't attempt, and the passivity of his game in general most of the season. He just looked like he didn't want to be there... and whatever reasons or justifications he may have had for it, Bennett should've put someone there that did want to play and give his best!

@Cult3 , you should really leave this conversation to the grown-ups... it's embarrassing to read your attempts at sarcasm.
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Quick, repeat yourself again. I don't think anybody heard what you said the last 15 times.

This is my thing now. I'm going to be sarcastic during the Boyd argument until you guys are sick of it to the same point as I am.
 
Porthoz said:
I will however, kick a player out of the team as soon as he's not putting in the effort that is minimally required.
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The point I was making is that fans were making similar observations of Jarryd Hayne during that time period and he clearly struggled in those departments but the Eels rightfully persisted with him because he meant far too much to their team.

On the surface, I believe it was a similar deal here.

I'm interested to know where this perception came from? Was it based on hearsay? Or can members on here actually point to certain games where Boyd's form reflected these criticisms.

Because as of right now my impression of Boyd is based on...

Round 12 vs Warriors
Round 13 vs Tigers
Round 16 vs Eels

I'm willing to bet there are holes that I'm missing but going through detailed highlights this is basically the impression I have so far.

Round 1 vs Panthers - Injured inside the first 15 minutes.
Round 2 vs Raiders - DNP
Round 3 vs Storm - DNP
Round 4 vs Sharks - Played well in a strong victory.
Round 5 vs Cowboys - Played terribly and for mine is the game a lot of his detractors remember.

I'll keep looking through.
 
Bennett didn't drop Boyd in under 8's when he refused to peel the oranges at half time, let's just stick with Barba, we don't need favouritism like that around the playing group.
 
Unbreakable said:
Bennett didn't drop Boyd in under 8's when he refused to peel the oranges at half time, let's just stick with Barba, we don't need favouritism like that around the playing group.
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He refused to peel them because everyone knows they're cut into quarters.
 
I'm sorry, but anyone saying Barba has it all over Boyd at fullback based on current form has lost the plot. If barba wasn't dropping balls at the back, he was being dragged back 15 metres like a ragdoll. I love barbs and enjoy watching him play when he's having a dig, but watching him at fullback for us was cringeworthy. I'm not the biggest fan of Darius but as a player the man is a freak. If i got to pick our team for round 1 I'd have milf at the back and barbs in the 6 with Boyd outside hodgo, but there is Buckley's chance of that happening.
 
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