Building towards the future.

Sure, let's just pick and choose which parts of my statements to respond to.


Yeah, I did forget you're the only one who shows up to the under 20s and Q Cup games. I apologize.



By all means, Hook! Throw the season away because these kids might not play for us next year. There is no way we get to keep these talented halves forever. They will no doubt sign with other clubs eventually. So why shouldn't we utilize them whilst we have them?

I mean, they aren't auditioning for other teams in under 20s because 1910 is the only one who watches those games anyway. Whilst we're at it we should probably not play Granville, Hannant or Copley until we re-sign them just in case other clubs are watching..

You have stated your case poorly, I haven't read any actual game related thoughts on any of their play. If you were watching all the games every week surely you could provide some insight into why they should be in the NRL side.
 
Whilst we're at it, I wish Bennett ****ed Shane Perry off in 2006 and put Darius Boyd in at halfback. Tonie Carroll would have made a great prop too.

Are you using Fridge as an example of giving a rookie a go?
 
They might not be at the Broncos next year though. Seriously almost every game we have lost this season has been decided by one pass. If Hoffman threw that one pass to the chest, if Hoffman threw that one pass at all we would have an extra 4-6 points. ****, if we had someone who could kick goals we would have lost like 1 or 2 games this season.

Really all of the 20's side are off contract at the end of the year? They're all leaving!
 
Do you really think these kids are going to be our reserve grade spare tires for the rest of their careers? Give them a chance to show off their best and let them make a name for themselves at another club.

I find this attitude of if you don't play them against Penrith they're all going to leave or will play 20's forever- very odd. They don't even have settled positions in 20's or settler roles in the competition.
 
Was injured, came back from the bench two weeks go. No ISC this week and didn't make the Queensland side. Norths are in a bit of a hole at the moment so hard to gauge but Murphy runs their show on the field so Nicholls just pops ups and is settling in.

Thanks for that ! Appreciate you taking the time. I suppose not making the Qld side is understandable with others having prior claim.
 
You have stated your case poorly, I haven't read any actual game related thoughts on any of their play. If you were watching all the games every week surely you could provide some insight into why they should be in the NRL side.

They should be in the NRL side because they are better than our current number 6. That's usually how a transition to first grade works, right? There are so many better options than Hoffman at 6. These kids might not be ready, but Hoffman is not ready to be a five-eight in the NRL either.

Are you using Fridge as an example of giving a rookie a go?

Again picking and choosing which statements to respond to. That was actually more aimed at moving the NRLs best lock to prop. The Shane Perry statement on the other hand actually had some relevance but of course, because it didn't suit your argument, you didn't reply to it.

Really all of the 20's side are off contract at the end of the year? They're all leaving!

Yeah I didn't say that. But you of all people should know who is off contract and could leave. Cullen, Nicholls, Kodi Nikorima and Paia'Aua are all off contract. That could mean we are left with Taylor and Jayden next year. Also Molo, Adams and Ofahengaue could go too.

You guys seem to think this year is a right off. I don't feel that way and I don't want the Broncos to miss the 8 or not be in with a shot again. "If you keep on doing what you've always done, you'll keep on getting what you've always got."
 
**** me this is a stupid argument.

The kids aren't ready. Even if they were at other clubs they wouldn't be playing nrl, because they aren't ready.

It's as simple as that
 
They should be in the NRL side because they are better than our current number 6. That's usually how a transition to first grade works, right? There are so many better options than Hoffman at 6. These kids might not be ready, but Hoffman is not ready to be a five-eight in the NRL either.



Again picking and choosing which statements to respond to. That was actually more aimed at moving the NRLs best lock to prop. The Shane Perry statement on the other hand actually had some relevance but of course, because it didn't suit your argument, you didn't reply to it.



Yeah I didn't say that. But you of all people should know who is off contract and could leave. Cullen, Nicholls, Kodi Nikorima and Paia'Aua are all off contract. That could mean we are left with Taylor and Jayden next year. Also Molo, Adams and Ofahengaue could go too.

You guys seem to think this year is a right off. I don't feel that way and I don't want the Broncos to miss the 8 or not be in with a shot again. "If you keep on doing what you've always done, you'll keep on getting what you've always got."

Why are they better?

Fridge is actually the opposite of your argument- you want a kid any kid will do. Fridge was a 29 year old who had played 10 years of ISC and NRL.

Thos players aren't all off contract.

This year isn't a write off at all.
 
Our halves in the junior grades may not be up to NRL level ATM but this opens up the opportunity to give them the best development and maturing as possible and groom them into NRL level players. It would ruin them if we threw them into first grade before they are ready.

We we just need to stick with Hoffman for the remainder of the year or make him switch positions with Barba.
 
Why are they better?

Fridge is actually the opposite of your argument- you want a kid any kid will do. Fridge was a 29 year old who had played 10 years of ISC and NRL.

Thos players aren't all off contract.

This year isn't a write off at all.

Because they can pass a ball properly.

I would be happy with anyone who can pass or kick slightly. Even Matt Gillett is a better option

Players Off Contract 2014 | NRL | Zero Tackle says they are. Might not be correct although I am curious about what you know that everyone else doesn't.

It is if we keep playing Hoffman at five-eight. And according to a lot of people on here who would rather finish outside the 8 so we can get rid of the coach.
 
The fact is with our current 19 or so fg standard players there are numerous combinations that would be more effective than having Hoffman at 5\8.
1. Very simple. Swap barba and hoffman

2. Put Hoffman on wing, barba 5/8 and Hodges quasi fullback like last season.
3. Hodges 5\8 (he had multiple assists in the game he played there this year) Hoffman wing copely centre. (imo the best combination)
4. Gillett 5/8 meaning oates and lowrie get decent minutes. Granville can come to bench. Very difficult to decide who plays wing

numerous players are playing in positions that are hindering their performance. Hodges gets no quality ball due to one half. Copely is on wing when he is arguably playing better at centre than Hodges due to a better combo with hunt. Hoffman horrible in 5/8 when he could be one of the best wingers in the game. This is a win/win/win with the only downside being a slight degredation in kicking game.
 
The fact is with our current 19 or so fg standard players there are numerous combinations that would be more effective than having Hoffman at 5\8.
1. Very simple. Swap barba and hoffman

2. Put Hoffman on wing, barba 5/8 and Hodges quasi fullback like last season.
3. Hodges 5\8 (he had multiple assists in the game he played there this year) Hoffman wing copely centre. (imo the best combination)
4. Gillett 5/8 meaning oates and lowrie get decent minutes. Granville can come to bench. Very difficult to decide who plays wing

numerous players are playing in positions that are hindering their performance. Hodges gets no quality ball due to one half. Copely is on wing when he is arguably playing better at centre than Hodges due to a better combo with hunt. Hoffman horrible in 5/8 when he could be one of the best wingers in the game. This is a win/win/win with the only downside being a slight degredation in kicking game.


swapping Barba to 5/8 would be a huge mistake unless we plan on playing him there next year when Milford arrives. if we swap him for this season and then move him back next season, we screw up the start of next season while he gets used to playing fullback again.
 
I wonder if the Sharks thought Nu Brown was ready for first grade? No idea if they did or not but both he and Moses debuting in the halves this weekend whilst seemingly none of our guys are. I haven't seen much to say if they are or not but I find it disappointing given that Hoffman was our starter all along yet we've failed to even get any of them ready to the point where we're happy to gamble on them.
 
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Both players are further along in their development and in the case of Moses, he's right up there with Milford in his age group so that really tells you all you need to know about how talented he is.

Brisbane could and probably should be utilising the ISC more to develop Kodi and Paia'Aua but I don't know what the story is there and since their situation is fairly unique I can't comment on it with any real certainty.
 
Interesting stat only 10% of NYC players have gone on and played 8 or more NRL games.

Smart clubs are using the NYC as a pathway then the ISC or NSW Cup after that. Last year 12 players 23 or older made their NRL debut while 18 teenagers did. When the NYC was first introduced in 2008 that figure was completely different- 6 players over 23 made their debut while 36 teenagers did.

Clubs better handle it now and have a greater understanding of how to get the best out of NYC.
 
The fact is with our current 19 or so fg standard players there are numerous combinations that would be more effective than having Hoffman at 5\8.
1. Very simple. Swap barba and hoffman

2. Put Hoffman on wing, barba 5/8 and Hodges quasi fullback like last season.
3. Hodges 5\8 (he had multiple assists in the game he played there this year) Hoffman wing copely centre. (imo the best combination)
4. Gillett 5/8 meaning oates and lowrie get decent minutes. Granville can come to bench. Very difficult to decide who plays wing

numerous players are playing in positions that are hindering their performance. Hodges gets no quality ball due to one half. Copely is on wing when he is arguably playing better at centre than Hodges due to a better combo with hunt. Hoffman horrible in 5/8 when he could be one of the best wingers in the game. This is a win/win/win with the only downside being a slight degredation in kicking game.

NO this cannot happen it would make sense and griffin doesn't do that....
 

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