Building towards the future.

[Cult]

Might want to stipulate that "never" part.

My bad, I forgot Nikorima during the trials and Molo once?

 

[Big Pete]

I wouldn't include trials.

Drew played last year too.

 

[1910]

Every other team relies on their possibilities. Look at the Roosters. Players like Cordner and Napa were possibilities and now they're fully fledged first graders/Origin players. This whole not relying on under 20s players is crap. We are the only team who doesn't do that anymore. Instead we buy outdated players like Stagg or play a winger at five-eight. Our under 20s team is currently on top with the Knights. That says to me that our NYC players are the best crop of young kids in the NYC. Yet we're the only team who literally never utilizes them.

Baptiste
Kahu
Gagai
Beale
Gibb
Lui
Norman
Spence
Hunt
Hala
Gillett
Copley
Drew
Hoffman
Granville
Glenn
Molo
Oates
Wallace
McGuire
Maranta
Dodds
Yow Yeh
McCullough

8 members of the 17 from the Sharks game came from the NYC.

That's 24 players from NYC which is more than three a year.

 

[Foordy]

Every other team relies on their possibilities. Look at the Roosters. Players like Cordner and Napa were possibilities and now they're fully fledged first graders/Origin players. This whole not relying on under 20s players is crap. We are the only team who doesn't do that anymore. Instead we buy outdated players like Stagg or play a winger at five-eight. Our under 20s team is currently on top with the Knights. That says to me that our NYC players are the best crop of young kids in the NYC. Yet we're the only team who literally never utilizes them.

just off the top of my head players we have promoted at different times from our NYC team.

Ben Hunt
Jordan Drew
Andrew McCullough
Josh Hoffman
Corey Norman
Jharal Yow Yeh
Dane Gagai
Alex Glenn
Josh McGuire
Dale Copley
Corey Oates
Francis Molo
Jordan Kahu

i'm sure there is a few more as well. but because we haven't done it a great deal this year suddenly we NEVER do it...

FTR, if we promote any young halves for the remainder of this year, all we will be doing is allowing them to audition for the rest of the NRL teams. because you can guarantee that Milford will be our 6 next year. and assuming that one of our young halves performs well at the top level ... no way he will want to go back to playing in either the ISC or NYC, and will be picked up by another club, especially when Ricky Stuart throws him a million to head there.

 

[Rally Towel]

Every other team relies on their possibilities. Look at the Roosters. Players like Cordner and Napa were possibilities and now they're fully fledged first graders/Origin players. This whole not relying on under 20s players is crap.

I'm not saying we can't count on some of our young guys coming through. Odds are some of them will, but it's a question of when, as well as realising we can't bank on it.

I'd feel far more confident about our future if we hedged our bets by making a few astute purchases.

 

[CaptainHook]

FTR, if we promote any young halves for the remainder of this year, all we will be doing is allowing them to audition for the rest of the NRL teams. because you can guarantee that Milford will be our 6 next year. and assuming that one of our young halves performs well at the top level ... no way he will want to go back to playing in either the ISC or NYC, and will be picked up by another club, especially when Ricky Stuart throws him a million to head there.

Great point, that. Aside from the reasons you've mentioned, the pressure to perform on a debutant would be enormous. It's probably too late in the season to go with a rookie in the halves. While not every game is a must-win for our target of a top 4 finish, there is a huge log jam in that area of the table that we need to climb over.

The next few weeks will be interesting. If we string a couple of losses together and start to lose touch with the top 8, will Griffin continue with Hoffman in the halves or take a punt on a rookie. I hate to say it, but we probably need to stick with Hoffman until the end.

 

[Cult]

Yeah I was most definitely talking about this year. You know, the year we actually need a good prop and a five-eight. The year that I said we're on top of the ladder with the Knights. The year that we have a group of kids who could do well in the NRL. Also more than likely the year before we lose these kids to other clubs without utilizing them whilst we can.

 

[Big Pete]

I keep forgetting about the most obvious example too, I guess because he hasn't played NYC this season.

Oates.

The Roosters comparison really doesn't hold any water. Yes, Boyd was blooded when he was still an NYC player but guess what, so was Corey Oates in pretty much the exact same fashion.

Napa didn't make his debut until he left the NYC and that was after he was considered the best prop of his age group. The Roosters had far more reasons to blood him than we have to blood our current selection of props and chose not to.

That doesn't excuse the reluctance and I personally would like to see more players promoted but those examples don't hold much weight.

 

[Splinter]

Every other team relies on their possibilities. Look at the Roosters. Players like Cordner and Napa were possibilities and now they're fully fledged first graders/Origin players. This whole not relying on under 20s players is crap. We are the only team who doesn't do that anymore. Instead we buy outdated players like Stagg or play a winger at five-eight. Our under 20s team is currently on top with the Knights. That says to me that our NYC players are the best crop of young kids in the NYC. Yet we're the only team who literally never utilizes them.

If you are talking about the current U20s then we had a very young team last year, not ready for promotion. Next season you will see some given a go and it is going to be exciting

 

[Cult]

If you are talking about the current U20s then we had a very young team last year, not ready for promotion. Next season you will see some given a go and it is going to be exciting

"Not ready". But yeah, Hoffman is ready to play five-eight. If we went along with this same crap years ago, Karmichael Hunt would have got like one season with us. Being 19-20 years old doesn't make you ready. Being good enough does though. And last I heard all you need to do is be better than the other guy in your position. Which every half under a Broncos contract is when it comes to Hoffman.

 

[1910]

Yeah I was most definitely talking about this year. You know, the year we actually need a good prop and a five-eight. The year that I said we're on top of the ladder with the Knights. The year that we have a group of kids who could do well in the NRL. Also more than likely the year before we lose these kids to other clubs without utilizing them whilst we can.

So you're basing the fact you think players are up to NRL on the table?

 

[Big Pete]

The only player who compares to Karmichael Hunt is Jayden Nikorima and guess what?

HE ISN'T ELIGIBLE FOR FIRST GRADE.

Kodi can't even handle five eigth at NYC level, Paia'Aua breaks down like Matai in every game and Taylor is still working his way back from serious shoulder surgery.

I'm not going to go into another Hoffman argument because basically every thread is about it, but from the perspective of these players, they aren't ready for more than anything than just a taste.

 

[1910]

The only player who compares to Karmichael Hunt is Jayden Nikorima and guess what?

HE ISN'T ELIGIBLE FOR FIRST GRADE.

Kodi can't even handle five eigth at NYC level, Paia'Aua breaks down like Matai in every game and Taylor is still working his way back from serious shoulder surgery.

I'm not going to go into another Hoffman argument because basically every thread is about it, but from the perspective of these players, they aren't ready for more than anything than just a taste.

That's a bit harsh on Paia'Aua he got through all his ISC games and handled the physicality well.

But valid points otherwise, that I am assuming will go largely ignored.

The problem with people that demand promotion is they don't watch the games, they rely on names popping up in the media and tables. They're normally fans of frustrating teams who want a quick answer to a problem.

These same people will spit the kid out if he plays and doesn't shine.

 

[Big Pete]

That's a bit harsh on Paia'Aua he got through all his ISC games and handled the physicality well.

He went down against the Cutters and appeared to be in extradinary pain before he shook it off, just like Matai. Unsure about you but I don't think it's worth jeoperdising his career, throwing him into the deep end when he's still struggling with his knee. Would rather let him ride it out in his age group and assess where he's at next year.

But yeah, out of all the halves, he's the most prepared for first grade. I thought he had some good touches for the Capras. Made a nice difference to their side until he seemingly took a back-seat to Crisp when Brent returned.

 

[Splinter]

"Not ready". But yeah, Hoffman is ready to play five-eight. If we went along with this same crap years ago, Karmichael Hunt would have got like one season with us. Being 19-20 years old doesn't make you ready. Being good enough does though. And last I heard all you need to do is be better than the other guy in your position. Which every half under a Broncos contract is when it comes to Hoffman.

Khunt was much more physically mature than these kids, our halves with the most potential were 18 when we kicked off this season, it would have been like throwing them under a train

 

[Foordy]

Personally i think we have a good group of halves coming through, but i would rather us introduce them to first grade properly rather than a sink or swim situation ... and as has been said in this thread, if they don't perform brilliantly many people on here will instantly call for their demotion and then go on a rant about why hook selected them before they were ready.

lets have a look at the pros and cons to calling them up shall we.

Pros:

Hoffman is our current 5/8

Cons:

J. Nikorima is ineligible due to his age

Taylor is still coming back from a serious injury

They're not ready (both physically and mentally) for the rigors and intensity of a fulltime NRL spot in one of the toughest and most important positions on the field.

They would only be "warming" the 5/8 position temporarily as we all know that spot belongs to Milford in 2015. therefore by playing them now, assuming they shine, we would only be allowing them to audition to other clubs looking for a half.


They are obviously talented players, and will serve us well in the future, IF we develop them right ... if we don't they could be another Brett Seymour, i.e a player with tons of potential that never lived up to it in the NRL.

 

[Huge]

Has anyone been keeping an eye on Darren Nicholls ? How's he going and could he handle playing 5/8 ? I'd love to see someone in the role who has been playing in the halves.

 

[Foordy]

Has anyone been keeping an eye on Darren Nicholls ? How's he going and could he handle playing 5/8 ? I'd love to see someone in the role who has been playing in the halves.

Hoffman has been playing in the halves ... he gets named there every week, haven't you been paying attention :takdir: