Jack Reed

[uptheguts]

The money you suggest from not signing Inglis would have gone to retaining players the club felt were key for the longterm future, the Broncos could have gone to the market but off hand not remembering who at the time was available its hard to say either way if it was the right or wrong idea. I'm not defending their handling of the GI situation, it was ****weak but its time to move on from that.

Manly have a great back 5, on paper so do we at fullstrength but Manly also don't have a Hodges who's lucky to stay on the field for any great length and a Yow Yeh who's battling to even get back on the field, when you get past the players commanding the big bucks you can't expect to have players of that same quality and experience playing for a lot less. Hodges isn't a longterm player now and Yow Yeh's future is in doubt, the option to go to the market will be available.

I fully realize that we can't fix the hole the Broncos management has put us in overnight but you have got to ask the question how did we get here. By here I mean being almost totally reliant on the Justin Hodges for real attacking options. For Petes sake we have the best supportor base in the comp, we have a right to demand more then we have been dished up for the last few years. Barba is a good start , but we really still need a fully dangerous centre to help Hodges (if he can make it back).

 

[Foordy]

So let's summarise this thread.

Fight Irish - Doesn't rate Jack Reed. Doesn't think he offers enough with the ball and believes his defence is overrated. Since it's difficult to come up with specific examples, FI used stats which reflected his opinion. Certain posters agree to varying degrees.

Generally those opposed - Can't have a superstar in each position and it's not as if we can break the bank, especially when we have the likes of Barba, Hoffman, Hodges, Yow Yeh in the squad. They rate his defence and question the validity of the statistics.

My opinion - I tend to agree with the opposed on Reed as a player BUT don't think it's wise to have signed him until 2017, regardless of price.

All these opinions are valid, all entitled to disagree but let's not make it personal.

Not a bad summary BP , but you forgot that many of the people who don't rate Reed, seem to think we can either:

A) pick up a superstar center (like Ferguson, Jennings or Lyon) for the exact same money as Reed (reportedly 250k a season) OR

B) fill your entire team with superstars and still remain under the cap.

Neither of which is possible. Every team need players like Reed (solid first graders) as it allows you to spend more money on the key positions (spine)

 

[Alec]

There are people like me who are content with Reed for now, but hope someone who is capable of both attack and defence comes through out system to replace him in the near future.

Though I admit to wanting to sign future gun players like Edrick Lee too.

 

[Morkel]

I fully realize that we can't fix the hole the Broncos management has put us in overnight but you have got to ask the question how did we get here. By here I mean being almost totally reliant on the Justin Hodges for real attacking options. For Petes sake we have the best supportor base in the comp, we have a right to demand more then we have been dished up for the last few years. Barba is a good start , but we really still need a fully dangerous centre to help Hodges (if he can make it back).

What do you think that the Broncos' management should have done? With no quality players out there, our best option was to try to bring through some young players. They did. Kahu showed all the signs if being a gun, but buggered his knees two pre-seasons in a row. Beale was even ahead of Kahu in the rated-by-the-establishment ranks, but he got greedy. Copley, as far as popular opinion goes, was starting to look good until he also threw himself out for the season. JYY. The list goes on. What more could they have done? Assume that, what, 4, really promising young backs aren't enough? How many? 6? 7? Any one of ours could have been a Milford or a RTS. We did well with Oates, so it's not like the club is incapable. Seriously, this is one of the worst injury periods for any NRL club, at least in terms of for a specific set of positions. Signing Reed as cover is actually the smartest thing they could have done. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blind to reality or simply thinks reality is not a factor here.

 

[Fighting Irish]

Hello again - just been reading many of the comments on here and one I always find amusing says "reed is a very underrated player" - so i think he is very overrated but seems most on here thinks for $250k he is good value - So for $250k a year for 4 years someone says he is allowed to bomb tries - he is allowed to miss tackles - he is allowed to retreat when defending 10 metres out from our try line and get upset when the opposition score a try - he is allowed to drop balls etc - all because he is only getting paid 4250k a season - what a great buy and what a great decision in tieing up that money for sooooo long by Hook and Gee - yes he fills a gap but he simply will not help win a GF - Now others ask who should we get in place of him for the $250k - I think from memory thelikes of Tim Lafi - Tim Samona - Maurice Blair and Vai Toutai were all off contract and were all on about the same monet or less maybe except for Blair but as we have some dollars in the bank why not try and search for a better ATTACKING PLAYER who knows where the tryline is by running in a try - side stepping and leave players in their wake - the 4 above can certainly do that - they are big bruisers to boot and will develope into very good players in the next 2 to 3 years - will Reed do that - No I don't think he has any improvement at all in him - we will get the same old same old - now howl me down again !!!!!!!!!

 

[Fighting Irish]

EDIT: Baiting

 

[Fighting Irish]

EDIT: Inappropriate post

 

[Fighting Irish]

here is another idea for Captain Hook - what about bit Vidot in the centres

 

[broncos4life]

EDIT: Inappropriate

 

[Fighting Irish]

EDIT: Inappropriate

 

[Big Pete]

Back on topic.

 

[Fighting Irish]

no problem - so i have given you my players i would go after or the type of players i think we need - can someone come up with some options as well

 

[Porthoz]

Okay people, a moderator has repeatedly requested to stop the personal remarks and to bring the thread back to topic. Discuss the opinions, not their author!

Last warning... DO IT!

 

[Mr Fourex]

It all comes down to your expectations. I expect a centre for the supposedly elite Broncos to be a dangerous attacking player.

Exactly. I want another Steve Renouf ....another Gene Miles ......another Justin Hodges.

Not adequate defenders with so-so attacking skills. I'd like to think we should be aspiring for more than that.

I put him in about the same class as Wallace.

That's cold.......real cold. I'm not there yet with Reed.

 

[Morkel]

Okay people, a moderator has repeatedly requested to stop the personal remarks and to bring the thread back to topic. Discuss the opinions, not their author!

Last warning... DO IT!

Damn it! I missed all the personal remarks!

IMO, a gun centre on big dollars would be great. But with Hunt & a nuffie in the halves, there'll never be enough field position or space for them to take advantage, at least on a regular basis.

@Irish, take a look at the mistakes Jennings makes. Yeah he's a better attacking player, but he's also twice the price. Swapping Reed with Simona or Lafai is just laughable. That list of players just shows how valuable Reed is for the dollars.

 

[Financeguy]

all because he is only getting paid 4250k a season

Now that would want to be one hell of a player to be on that coin :p

Now others ask who should we get in place of him for the $250k - I think from memory thelikes of Tim Lafi - Tim Samona - Maurice Blair and Vai Toutai were all off contract and were all on about the same monet or less maybe except for Blair

Gotta disagree here, there is no guarantee any of those players would perform better than Reed so to me its making a change for the sake of making a change. Especially Blair, that is a dud if ever i've seen one, i watched a lot of him in his early years at the Panthers and if we ever signed him i would be mirroring your posts about Reed.

I like your passion though mate, look forwad to crossing swords again.

 

[Financeguy]

Exactly. I want another Steve Renouf ....another Gene Miles ......another Justin Hodges.

You have just named 3 of the best centres in the modern game, we all want those players but it is unrealistic to think they are readily available, not withstanding the fact we already have one of them!

I want another 5/8th like Wally Lewis .... another Kevin Walters ...... another Darren Lockyer!!!!!

 

[Cult]

Would anyone actually want the likes of Jennings and Ferguson in the team. In my opinion they aren't Broncos. Said the same about Dugan.