OFFICIAL Kevin Walters Extends to End of 2023

[WASSHHH]

lol come on. I’m not denying the roosters roster is far superior than most but he’s brought success everywhere he goes and he has displayed his ability many times.

Of course he wouldn’t have had the success he’s had if he was dropped into one of those basket case clubs but he’d be a far improvement on any of their other coaching appointments.

Implying he should’ve had even more success is hilarious. More success than winning a prem on average every 3 years? Or winning the minor almost every second season?

We all hate the roosters but let’s be sensible.

I don’t think there’s anything laughable or ridiculous about my post whatsoever.

During the 90’s when the Broncos had as many rep stars as Robinson has had at his disposal, we won 5 premierships and probably could / should have won more.

And honestly, at the end of the day, does anyone even give a shit about minor premierships? As an example, we’ve only won 2/3 the number minor premierships as we have trophies. I’d hazard a guess the club would swap all our minor premierships for another premiership.

 

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I don’t think there’s anything laughable or ridiculous about my post whatsoever.

During the 90’s when the Broncos had as many rep stars as Robinson has had at his disposal, we won 5 premierships and probably could / should have won more.

And honestly, at the end of the day, does anyone even give a shit about minor premierships? As an example, we’ve only won 2/3 the number minor premierships as we have trophies. I’d hazard a guess the club would swap all our minor premierships for another premiership.

Well no, historically no one really cares about minor prems but winning the most games in 4 of the last 9 seasons out of all the teams is a pretty good indicator that things are going alright. I think it’s a pretty good barometer of coaching.

I’m not saying he doesn’t have plenty of advantages but he is obviously a very good coach. I’m surprised that there’s even so much resistance to this seemingly obvious statement.

 

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Also a 15th place finish.

Not sure too many good judges will hold that against him.

 

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Not sure too many good judges will hold that against him.

maybe you should be a roosters fan
Think the main point here is you seem to be celebrating the fact Robinson won a premiership with a far superior team and football department , yet you're happy to right off Walters with so many disadvantages,team , football department and a messed up cap.
Like i said Apples v Oranges.

 

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maybe you should be a roosters fan
Think the main point here is you seem to be celebrating the fact Robinson won a premiership with a far superior team and football department , yet you're happy to right off Walters with so many disadvantages,team , football department and a messed up cap.
Like i said Apples v Oranges.

I’m a fan of rugby league and happen to go for the broncos - unlike some on here I am happy to give credit where it’s due even if it doesn’t sit well from a broncos perspective.

I’m sure Kev appreciates your relentless defence of him against my evil attempts at being objective but I’ve not written Walters off at all. All I can do is comment on what information we have and Kev has yet to impress in any of his coaching roles (many on here have short memories of their own comments about him as origin coach). I think this year will be the tell - he now has good support and decent players. I hope he kills it but I don’t think he’ll have any excuses by seasons end one way or another.

I dislike Tedesco too but despite all the advantages he has, he’s still one of the best fullbacks in the game. I can also discuss Cobbo’s current shortcomings as a fullback does that mean I should be a roosters fan and that I’ve written Cobbo off?

Silliness

 

[WASSHHH]

Well no, historically no one really cares about minor prems but winning the most games in 4 of the last 9 seasons out of all the teams is a pretty good indicator that things are going alright. I think it’s a pretty good barometer of coaching.

I’m not saying he doesn’t have plenty of advantages but he is obviously a very good coach. I’m surprised that there’s even so much resistance to this seemingly obvious statement.

This is a very confusing conversation.

I’ve already said he can coach. In fact, it’s literally the first thing I said.

My argument is; would he be as “special” if he didn’t have the players he has or the hugely powerful club he’s got supporting him.

I think that’s a more than reasonable question to ask.

Just on how “special” he is as a coach though. For all his good records, taking a very strong squad to 15th in 2016, achieving only 6 wins along the way, isn’t something that can just be ignored.

 

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This is a very confusing conversation.

I’ve already said he can coach. In fact, it’s literally the first thing I said.

My argument is; would he be as “special” if he didn’t have the players he has or the hugely powerful club he’s got supporting him.

I think that’s a more than reasonable question to ask.

Just on how “special” he is as a coach though. For all his good records, taking a very strong squad to 15th in 2016, achieving only 6 wins along the way, isn’t something that can just be ignored.

Hard to say I guess - how special would Cam Smith be at the tigers, how Special would Lockyer had been in the bulldogs team of the last few years. You could use that argument to downplay anyone’s achievements. Is Bellamy not special ?

It’s all speculation once you get to this point. You could just as easily ask if the roosters would’ve had the same success if they had a dud coach instead - I would hazard a guess that the roosters don’t look too special if they were under Trent Barrett or Nathan Brown over the last 9 seasons.

 

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I’m a fan of rugby league and happen to go for the broncos - unlike some on here I am happy to give credit where it’s due even if it doesn’t sit well from a broncos perspective.

I’m sure Kev appreciates your relentless defence of him against my evil attempts at being objective but I’ve not written Walters off at all. All I can do is comment on what information we have and Kev has yet to impress in any of his coaching roles (many on here have short memories of their own comments about him as origin coach). I think this year will be the tell - he now has good support and decent players. I hope he kills it but I don’t think he’ll have any excuses by seasons end one way or another.

I dislike Tedesco too but despite all the advantages he has, he’s still one of the best fullbacks in the game. I can also discuss Cobbo’s current shortcomings as a fullback does that mean I should be a roosters fan and that I’ve written Cobbo off?

Silliness

how many times did i say Robinson is a super coach or the like, even said i doubt Kevvie would get where he is as coach. Yet you keep coming back to Robinson’s record, like a broken record.
You continually knock Kevvie without taking into any consideration of the mess he walked into, but hey Robbo's record is pretty good hey!
if you think it’s silliness don't respond , simple.

 

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how many times did i say Robinson is a super coach or the like, even said i doubt Kevvie would get where he is as coach. Yet you keep coming back to Robinson’s record, like a broken record.
You continually knock Kevvie without taking into any consideration of the mess he walked into, but hey Robbo's record is pretty good hey!
if you think it’s silliness don't respond , simple.

I think we’ve just misread each other. I wasn’t continuing to talk about Robbo as a comparison to kev. It had transformed into a seperate conversation that I found interesting to discuss. Not many (imo) can or will compare to Robbo and I don’t think it’s a fair comparison for which to judge Kev by. But I can get why you saw it that way.

I’m also not trying to continually knock Kev. I’m just discussing what I have seen of him so far but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he deserves this season to prove himself.

It’s all intended to just be respectful discussion which is what we are here for ultimately.

 

[pagey]

I think we’ve just misread each other. I wasn’t continuing to talk about Robbo as a comparison to kev. It had transformed into a seperate conversation that I found interesting to discuss. Not many (imo) can or will compare to Robbo and I don’t think it’s a fair comparison for which to judge Kev by. But I can get why you saw it that way.

I’m also not trying to continually knock Kev. I’m just discussing what I have seen of him so far but that doesn’t mean I don’t think he deserves this season to prove himself.

It’s all intended to just be respectful discussion which is what we are here for ultimately.

Agreed , let's move forward then .
The only person in recent memory that has a similar trajectory than Robinson and has been given a half decent fix up job is Holbrook, but even he has been dealt a decent hand.
It would be great to have a guage of someone in a similar situation as Kevvie and how it all transpired.

 

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Agreed , let's move forward then .
The only person in recent memory that has a similar trajectory than Robinson and has been given a half decent fix up job is Holbrook, but even he has been dealt a decent hand.
It would be great to have a guage of someone in a similar situation as Kevvie and how it all transpired.

I’ve touched on it before but I think there are uncanny similarities to our current position and the 2014 Panthers. I think Kev is in a very similar position to Cleary in 2012-2014.

I’ve gone into pretty deep detail in another thread awhile ago but don’t have the time to resurface it right now. Cleary finished 2014 at 4th which was a massive result considering. Hopefully Kev can do something similar.

 

[WASSHHH]

Hard to say I guess - how special would Cam Smith be at the tigers, how Special would Lockyer had been in the bulldogs team of the last few years. You could use that argument to downplay anyone’s achievements. Is Bellamy not special ?

It’s all speculation once you get to this point. You could just as easily ask if the roosters would’ve had the same success if they had a dud coach instead - I would hazard a guess that the roosters don’t look too special if they were under Trent Barrett or Nathan Brown over the last 9 seasons.

That’s sort of the point though, isn’t it.

I actually think there is enough of a sample size from origin to question how good Bellamy is, I’ve even said as much on this forum.

Robinson has a good record, no doubt. But he also has a 15th on his record, which is not good reading for a bloke who’s only been at one club and had previously won three successive minor premierships.

I’m not a Bennett fan boy, but he has at least proven he can do what he does at 2.5 clubs (Broncos and Dragons premiers, South’s pretty good without winning it).

For that reason, and similarly to Bellamy in origin, I believe their success should at least be questioned until they test themselves at a different club.

What Robinson’s success and then coming 15th, along with Bellamy’s success at NRL level but abject failure in origin does do is highlight there is very little between success and failure.

 

[BroncosFever]

For all the blokes like Bellamy who spend time under one of the great coaches in Bennett, there's a Stephen Kearney out there too

It's always a risk but it's a risk clubs have to take to find the right guy, as they rarely leave the top clubs.

The current Newcastle coach is the new poster boy for serving an apprenticeship under some of the most successful coaches and then getting his own chair in the kingdom and falling flat on his face. He spent 5 years next to Bellamy and then another year at the Roosters when they won the comp in 2019, if there was ever a bloke who you'd think would be ready, it'd be him. Newcastle have done nothing since he arrived, I mean they made the 8 last year but we towelled them up the week before their final's appearance

Taking a chance on Kevvie who has got experience under some of the best, already coached himself and is one of the great Bronco players, that's a chance I am willing to get behind. There's no better alternatives, unfortunately

 

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That’s sort of the point though, isn’t it.

I actually think there is enough of a sample size from origin to question how good Bellamy is, I’ve even said as much on this forum.

Robinson has a good record, no doubt. But he also has a 15th on his record, which is not good reading for a bloke who’s only been at one club and had previously won three successive minor premierships.

I’m not a Bennett fan boy, but he has at least proven he can do what he does at 2.5 clubs (Broncos and Dragons premiers, South’s pretty good without winning it).

For that reason, and similarly to Bellamy in origin, I believe their success should at least be questioned until they test themselves at a different club.

What Robinson’s success and then coming 15th, along with Bellamy’s success at NRL level but abject failure in origin does do is highlight there is very little between success and failure.

I don't think you can question Bellamy as a coach because of Origin but you can talk about coaches that suit rep football coaching and can do it well- I know and have heard Bellamy talk about the things he didn't do right in Origin and the mistakes he made treating it like a club team. Some of those were forced on him but some he's learnt.

Rep coaching has become specialised in the last 15 years. Mal is responsible for a lot of that. Admin saw the value in viewing rep roles through a different lens than club coaching. For a long time it was win the comp well you can coach Queensland.

 

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That’s sort of the point though, isn’t it.

I actually think there is enough of a sample size from origin to question how good Bellamy is, I’ve even said as much on this forum.

Robinson has a good record, no doubt. But he also has a 15th on his record, which is not good reading for a bloke who’s only been at one club and had previously won three successive minor premierships.

I’m not a Bennett fan boy, but he has at least proven he can do what he does at 2.5 clubs (Broncos and Dragons premiers, South’s pretty good without winning it).

For that reason, and similarly to Bellamy in origin, I believe their success should at least be questioned until they test themselves at a different club.

What Robinson’s success and then coming 15th, along with Bellamy’s success at NRL level but abject failure in origin does do is highlight there is very little between success and failure.

Bennett came last in 81- you won't find too many coaches that don't have a dud year in there.

Bax maybe the only one..

 

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I’ve touched on it before but I think there are uncanny similarities to our current position and the 2014 Panthers. I think Kev is in a very similar position to Cleary in 2012-2014.

I’ve gone into pretty deep detail in another thread awhile ago but don’t have the time to resurface it right now. Cleary finished 2014 at 4th which was a massive result considering. Hopefully Kev can do something similar.

possibly but they had a decent turnover of players we've been fairly restricted in that department. they also dropped back down to 11th although having been hit by injuries. which can be said about us last year. 4th i think is a little unrealistic, I'd take just missing the 8 and a few important signings, or just scraping into the 8 with some players having break out years ( ultimately Niu and Paix)

 

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possibly but they had a decent turnover of players we've been fairly restricted in that department. they also dropped back down to 11th although having been hit by injuries. which can be said about us last year. 4th i think is a little unrealistic, I'd take just missing the 8 and a few important signings, or just scraping into the 8 with some players having break out years ( ultimately Niu and Paix)

Oh for sure, 4th would be a miracle result. I mostly meant he can take us to the 8 which will be a massive achievement and would be deserving of appreciation.

The Panthers had to make a few really hard calls and moved on stalwarts and local legends like Lewis and Jennings. They brought in Jamie Soward which at the time was very Reynolds like and a couple others.

Not the perfect analogy to Kev’s position but it’s closest I can think of.

 

[Gaz]

I’m not a Bennett fan boy, but he has at least proven he can do what he does at 2.5 clubs (Broncos and Dragons premiers, South’s pretty good without winning it).

Long time ago and trends change over the years but Wayne started in '88 with basically the best of the BRL and State side. Although belting the reining premiers and early talk about going through undefeated still took him four years to win a premiership. I wonder if the current fan base / supporters are willing to wait four years for Kevin to instill some spark. I too am not a Wayne fan boy - not anymore at least but he was in another league compared to most of todays new boy coaches. Ours included.