PLAYER Payne Haas

[Dash]

Those are NRL.com stats, Fox Sports are far more accurate. Hasn't missed a single tackle according to them.

I hope Fox Sports stats are more accurate with their tackle stats than they are with their try assist stats. They deadset make them up.

 

[Nashy]

I hope Fox Sports stats are more accurate with their tackle stats than they are with their try assist stats. They deadset make them up.

"He was there in spirit" counts right?

 

[BroncosFever]

Makes you think that up until now, he has been developed as safely as possible. Don't even risk offloads, just tuck the ball under and go for it.

When you're that big and can play for as many minutes as he does, why would you want him to do anything else?

Anways, offloads look great on the sheet but if you're flicking it out the back and dunno where it's going, it's a shit offload. TPJ would be the case and point. I like when he pokes his nose through the line and links up with someone, those are the kind of offloads I want to see.

His train of thought should be run hard and if he gets halfway through, look for it. If not, find your front and play it.

 

[mrslong]

Those are NRL.com stats, Fox Sports are far more accurate. Hasn't missed a single tackle according to them.

In fox sports we trust! The most truthful, honourable, trustingest of all the sports news outlets

 

[Unbreakable]

I hope Fox Sports stats are more accurate with their tackle stats than they are with their try assist stats. They deadset make them up.

Got an example? They do the scoring for SuperCoach, so I'm pretty well versed in how they score try assists and the likes.

 

[1910]

Got an example? They do the scoring for SuperCoach, so I'm pretty well versed in how they score try assists and the likes.

I have a problem with try assists- just the fact that they seem to reward you just throwing the last pass.

If a hooker throws it to a forward who pushed off 10 people and scores the hooker shouldn't get a try assist.

 

[BroncosFever]

The try assist stat is somewhat misleading at times.

Billy would have got a try assist for our first try against the Titans but really it was just a bit of brilliance from Jordan Riki, Billy didn't do a great deal to assist in the try but he did throw the last pass.

 

[Dash]

Got an example? They do the scoring for SuperCoach, so I'm pretty well versed in how they score try assists and the likes.

Supercoach is why I noticed the discrepancies - the infamous 'unicorn' points they come up with on a Monday morning. They seem to award try and linebreak assists based on how famous a player is, whether they throw the last pass or the 4th last pass.

Where did Hynes get the 2nd try assist in the Round 5 Warriors game? It has to be the first try, but how does he get it over the player who regathered the spilled kick, draws in 3 defenders and offloads to the try scorer?

 

[Dash]

Got an example? They do the scoring for SuperCoach, so I'm pretty well versed in how they score try assists and the likes.

And still on Hynes, how did he get 4 assists in the Dragons game? There's definitely 3 (which every other stats source agrees with), but I can't see a 4th that could even be debated.

 

[McHunt]

The try assist stat is somewhat misleading at times.

Billy would have got a try assist for our first try against the Titans but really it was just a bit of brilliance from Jordan Riki, Billy didn't do a great deal to assist in the try but he did throw the last pass.

Pretty much a hospital pass from where I was lying on the couch. Riki had no right to score that, but he did. I have no problem giving Billy the credit for the assist. He did set it up.

Every stat is suss if you pick it apart.

 

[BroncsFan]

Supercoach is why I noticed the discrepancies - the infamous 'unicorn' points they come up with on a Monday morning. They seem to award try and linebreak assists based on how famous a player is, whether they throw the last pass or the 4th last pass.

Where did Hynes get the 2nd try assist in the Round 5 Warriors game? It has to be the first try, but how does he get it over the player who regathered the spilled kick, draws in 3 defenders and offloads to the try scorer?

And still on Hynes, how did he get 4 assists in the Dragons game? There's definitely 3 (which every other stats source agrees with), but I can't see a 4th that could even be debated.

I cant quite recall the ones you're talking about, but if they're the same as Supercoach, then on a try from a kick the kicker basically always gets awarded a try assist, because the try doesnt happen without the kick... sometimes they'll hand out a second try assist if the person that regathers does work to set up the actual try scorer.

They're also less likely to award the last pass if it's just a simple catch and pass.... instead they will award to say a fullback who has created the extra number on a sweep play... but I'm finding those ones to be the unicorn ones. They'll give it to a half two passes in because Cleary, Nicho, Teddy, etc.

 

[Unbreakable]

Supercoach is why I noticed the discrepancies - the infamous 'unicorn' points they come up with on a Monday morning. They seem to award try and linebreak assists based on how famous a player is, whether they throw the last pass or the 4th last pass.

Where did Hynes get the 2nd try assist in the Round 5 Warriors game? It has to be the first try, but how does he get it over the player who regathered the spilled kick, draws in 3 defenders and offloads to the try scorer?

Unicorn points are a myth.

He got the try assist because he kicked the football. There is zero grey-area with that one, if you kick the ball and a try results from that kick, you get a try assist. On rare occasions they'll sometimes even give 2 try assists for a try resulting from a kick, if the ball is regathered cleanly by another player and passed on to someone else. An example of this is the Clint Gutherson try in Round 6. Mitchell Moses & Dylan Brown were both awarded try assists for that try.

Talakai didn't get a try assist for the play you're referring to because he didn't gather it cleanly; he gathered it after Ronaldo Mulitalo knocked it back to him.

And still on Hynes, how did he get 4 assists in the Dragons game? There's definitely 3 (which every other stats source agrees with), but I can't see a 4th that could even be debated.

32nd minute - Jesse Ramien try - resulted from a Nicho kick

51st minute - Briton Nikora try - short-ball from Nicho

60th minute - Jesse Ramien try - initial line-break set-up by Nicho, additional touch & offload after the linebreak means he gets a try assist as well as Nikora

69th minute - Sione Katoa try - long-ball from Nicho

 

[Unbreakable]

I have a problem with try assists- just the fact that they seem to reward you just throwing the last pass.

If a hooker throws it to a forward who pushed off 10 people and scores the hooker shouldn't get a try assist.

That simply isn't how it's scored anymore. They've refined the scoring quite a bit in recent years, the only time the hooker would get a try assist from a pass close to the line is if they directly put the player in to a hole, or if their work/deception out of dummy-half affected the defensive line in a way which assisted the player they passed to in scoring a try.

 

[Dash]

Unicorn points are a myth.

He got the try assist because he kicked the football. There is zero grey-area with that one, if you kick the ball and a try results from that kick, you get a try assist. On rare occasions they'll sometimes even give 2 try assists for a try resulting from a kick, if the ball is regathered cleanly by another player and passed on to someone else. An example of this is the Clint Gutherson try in Round 6. Mitchell Moses & Dylan Brown were both awarded try assists for that try.

I don't understand the logic with the kicking ones. What if the kick happens 10 passes before the try is scored?

Why go to the trouble of determining exactly how much impact a dummy half pass has (@1910's example) when you don't do the same for kicks? The first Ramien try is the perfect example. The try was scored despite Hynes' shocking kick, not because of it.

My original point was that Fox Sports stats are no more accurate than anybody else's. Arbitrary criteria that don't account for what happened in the actual play doesn't make them any more accurate than nrl.com.

 

[1910]

That simply isn't how it's scored anymore. They've refined the scoring quite a bit in recent years, the only time the hooker would get a try assist from a pass close to the line is if they directly put the player in to a hole, or if their work/deception out of dummy-half affected the defensive line in a way which assisted the player they passed to in scoring a try.

That's pretty subjective which is my whole point. It can't be accurate from week to week if someone is deciding the worth of a pass.

 

[Unbreakable]

My original point was that Fox Sports stats are no more accurate than anybody else's. Arbitrary criteria that don't account for what happened in the actual play doesn't make them any more accurate than nrl.com.

That is precisely the reason their data is more accurate. NRL.com is the website that count everything wrong.

They're the ones who give the try assist to the last person who passed the ball, regardless of what happens in the lead-up. They use absolutely no context or paramters at all.

They're also completely wrong with their tackle and missed tackle counts - Fox Sports goes out of their way to not count 3rd-man in tackles, NRL.com will award a tackle to anyone who so much as places a finger on the ruck, even if the tackle is already complete. NRL.com also award missed tackles for tackles that clearly aren't missed, a player racing out of the line and knocking the attacker backwards on to the seat of his pants counts as a missed tackle on NRL.com.

 

[Accept]

CM reporting that Haas is being heavily courted by Rugby Australia. They are ready to make him an offer that would blow away anything that he'd earn in the NRL.

 

[the_next]

At least if it happens we won’t have to play against him.
Not sure it will happen though.
Fingers crossed we can keep him here long term.