PLAYER Payne Haas

[Renegade]

Do you guys think this Payne Haas to rugby drama is going to derail our season again? If it’s causing any drama whatsoever we should be looking elsewhere to cover for him sooner rather than later

Wouldn't think so, not if his mum being in the tank isn't.

 

[Cult]

Wouldn't think so, not if his mum being in the tank isn't.

That only affects Payne. Last year him wanting out affected the whole team. Hopefully this doesn’t have the same affect

 

[Renegade]

That only affects Payne. Last year him wanting out affected the whole team. Hopefully this doesn’t have the same affect

I'd like to think the squad has learnt from last year. It's not all on Payne to get their heads right. it's such a weird thing anyway, like why would say Staggs go, yeah Payne might go to rugby next year so i'mma miss 10 tackles and play like shit as a result? Not saying you are saying this at all, but getting distracted by what someone else might do in the future just seems so... well, stupid. Mind your own business and keep busting your arse.

 

[Mustafur]

I don't think it would take him long considering he has a background in Union. He was selected for the Australian schoolboys team in 2016 and by all reports was a star in the sport.

One thing about Haas is that he has the drive and determination to succeed so Union's investment in him would pay off.

I'm not sure on that, if he played Centre sure but I think the ARU see him as a Number 8 and that requires some specialised skills that would take time to learn, the forwards is not a simple transition, Brad thorn is the only exception I think that will ever be, but he was probably the smartest person to play either code.

 

[McHunt]

Ben Te'o:

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“If I was born with Payne’s body and attributes, I know what I would be doing. I took a leap of faith to go to rugby, but to be honest, I did miss rugby league and we (the NRL rugby defectors) all end up coming back, that’s the reality. History shows we all come back because rugby league is a part of you and the NRL is the best competition in the world. It would be a shame to see Payne leave the NRL. I think Suaalii will come back one day - he will miss the buzz of the NRL. He will enjoy his time in rugby, but there is nothing in rugby that equates to what the NRL can offer.”​

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“I came to experience rugby as a world game, but once you have seen it, it’s not as impressive as what you might imagine it to be. There’s a couple of things for Payne to consider. Firstly, it would take him time to find his feet. If his attributes aren’t transferring, then there will be that frustration factor. There is also the boredom factor. Payne won’t be able to make 20 hit-ups a game and do all the things that we admire him for."​

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“There is no buzz like the NRL. There is no buzz like the build-up we have for NRL and Origin games. The daily stuff in the papers. The week-to-week coverage on TV. Rugby doesn’t have the same coverage as the NRL. It was certainly a magnet for me to go overseas and play at places like Twickenham. In rugby league, I felt like I was on this loop, but in rugby, I could travel to other countries on weekends. I know playing at a packed stadium in Paris is nice and I enjoyed my time in rugby, but to be honest, there’s nothing like the Cowboys versus Broncos at Suncorp with 50,000 fans."​

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“I was lucky that I won a premiership at Souths before I left, but if you have never won a premiership and you go to rugby, it will eat at you. When you are alone in your big house in the south of France and getting good money, but you are watching the NRL and watching blokes win premierships, you will feel alone. Sammy Burgess was in his mansion in Bath and he watched Souths get knocked out of the finals and it ate away at him. That’s why he came back. He wanted more.”​

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“If you finish your career without a premiership ring, it hurts. And I can assure Payne, there is nothing - absolutely nothing - like playing State of Origin. I have played in all the competitions. I have played in the English and Irish leagues, I’ve played Champions Cup, Six Nations and, yes, they have a buzz, but nothing like the product we have here. The NRL is so special with all the controversy, the media coverage every day and the athletes."​

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“Payne would miss Origin. He would watch the build up of the week and remember when he was a part of it in NSW colours. I know how driven Payne is and how much he would love to win a premiership. To be honest, I have never seen a rugby league forward like Payne Haas. I have never seen a prop do what he can do. So my thought is, ‘Why leave the NRL? Why leave being one of the greatest in the game?’ He has all the things he needs at the Broncos."​

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“I have no doubt that Payne would go well. You could probably play him at No.8 or as a blindside flanker. You wouldn’t have him in the lineouts, he wouldn’t be a lifter or a jumper. You would get him out on the edges carrying the footy. You could play an expansive game with Payne on the edges. But the thing I would say to Payne is that God has given him something that I have never seen in my life before and it’s a thing that makes him one of the best rugby league players to play the game. His endurance, his size, his foot speed and his ability to keep going with his engine, Payne is one of a kind. Those attributes make him so good and that doesn’t always transfer to rugby union."​

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“In rugby league, he gets 10 metres, he gets a run up and he has a massive advantage because of his endurance. In union, the defences are so much closer and he might not get the chance to show what he can do.”​

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“The one thing I found dangerous is the injuries you can pick up in rugby union. I picked up most of my injuries in rugby union because the movement patterns are different. Because the sport is foreign to you and there’s a lot of unpredictability at the ruck, there is a greater chance of getting hurt."​

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“Payne’s muscle memory in the NRL is so high now. If he goes to rugby, he doesn’t have that muscle memory. He will find himself in situations where massive bodies are falling on him and you can get cleaned out in rucks and mauls left and right, that’s where he can get hurt. You can get big contacts and collisions in rugby union. You can be playing the Springboks and you get a big No.8 like Duane Vermeulen coming at you and you can whack him, but there’s not as many big-contact situations. But nothing really beats the physicality of the NRL.”​

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“I really hope Payne stays at the Broncos. He has unfinished business in rugby league. Payne has to make sure that if he is going to go, that he isn’t coming back to the NRL or he is really invested in rugby, because if you decide to come back, sometimes you aren’t the same player again because the NRL moves so fast. Having played with Payne, I think he really enjoys rugby league and the culture of the guys in the NRL. Rugby has a different group of guys. Sometimes you look around the locker room and they are still good guys, but they are not the type of league guys Payne would have grown up with."​

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“The Broncos are a great club. He is a big star in the NRL. He is the best in his position. His family is close by. I reckon Payne has a lot to achieve in the NRL before he considers a move to rugby.”​

 

[Midean]

I'd like to think the squad has learnt from last year. It's not all on Payne to get their heads right. it's such a weird thing anyway, like why would say Staggs go, yeah Payne might go to rugby next year so i'mma miss 10 tackles and play like shit as a result? Not saying you are saying this at all, but getting distracted by what someone else might do in the future just seems so... well, stupid. Mind your own business and keep busting your arse.

I agree to an extent, but if you have a guy in the team, demanding more money (depriving team mates of their share or a fairer cut), threatening to leave if his demands are not met etc, that has to cause disharmony amongst the group.

There is no brotherhood, or team comradery, there is no promise or devotion to team mates to stay together and get a premiership.
Its all about getting the most money or taking your ball and going home and **** everyone else.

Cult brings up a good point i had not considered.

The only two times we have been on a solid winning streak in what, the last 4 years? Payne has been a distraction in the media with threats of leaving the club for one reason or another.

I wish he wasnt so damn good so i could legitimately wish he would **** off and take this bullshit with him.

 

[Scorchie]

Teo dropping bombs. Love it

 

[Morkel]

Cult brings up a good point i had not considered.

The only two times we have been on a solid winning streak in what, the last 4 years? Payne has been a distraction in the media with threats of leaving the club for one reason or another.

To be honest, this is somewhat out of Payne's hands, as it would almost certainly be his scum manager rustling up this bullshit. On top of his scum family that just want to mooch off him. He could, of course, instruct his manager to sit the **** down and just negotiate in private with the Broncos. And he could be happy that he can give his family a lot more money than they otherwise would be drawing down every week from centrelink. But it seems like as much as he would be hungry for a premiership, and especially if he could do that with the Broncos, it seems like he'd forego his personal ambitions in order to get more for his family.

 

[Battler]

Love that from Teo. Players in the nrl should treat union like a retirement package when they reach their mid 30s, sort of like what Teo did (although he went over a bit earlier, his nrl career was winding down a bit). As their bodies start to slow down they should consider a slow sport.

For all the talk of rugby being a world game it’s only really the ‘first’ sport in South Africa (a country on the brink of a mad max like collapse) and NZ. It’s a sideshow in every other country that plays it a competitive level. If it was truly a world wide sensation, like football, then a country the size of NZ wouldn’t have close to a 90% winning record. I’ll be concerned about rugby when we see NZ fall off a cliff like Uruguay did in football.

 

[Midean]

To be honest, this is somewhat out of Payne's hands, as it would almost certainly be his scum manager rustling up this bullshit. On top of his scum family that just want to mooch off him. He could, of course, instruct his manager to sit the **** down and just negotiate in private with the Broncos. And he could be happy that he can give his family a lot more money than they otherwise would be drawing down every week from centrelink. But it seems like as much as he would be hungry for a premiership, and especially if he could do that with the Broncos, it seems like he'd forego his personal ambitions in order to get more for his family.

Yea you are right, I forgot about his manager.
Almost certainly a large part of the reason Haas has been slow in re-signing.

 

[Stix]

Yea you are right, I forgot about his manager.
Almost certainly a large part of the reason Haas has been slow in re-signing.

Add SBW in his ear as well.

 

[Midean]

Add SBW in his ear as well.

yep exactly.

 

[big k]

The NRL certainly will care, but what can they do about it?

They'll let hi. Go then help a Sydney team get him back and claim a victory

 

[Mustafur]

When the number 1 rugby country on Earth has all it's clubs being beaten by the Warriors in match attendance playing league, you don't need to learn anything more about a dying sport.

If anything NRL in terms of public interest has grown faster post covid then I have ever seen, TV numbers and match attendances prove it.

The playing around the world argument falls flat when no atmosphere comes close to Origin or a GF and your there to play not be a tourist.

 

[McHunt]

Payne:

“I feel it’s the best that I am playing and I still have a lot of improving to do. I’ve turned things into a positive, I just try and get the team on the front foot and make my tackles. I think I have been really consistent in defence and attack. As the weeks go on, hopefully I will be better by the end of the season. I worked really hard in the pre-season and I know my potential. I know what I can do. It’s just about steady improvement. I can’t have it all straight away but I just want to keep on improving as a player and person off the field.”​

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“I feel a bit more mature now. Just being around the boys to be honest, training and going home to my partner and my daughter, who turns two next week. We live close to Broncos training, so I get away from footy with my family and then I come to training. I am at peace off the field.”​

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“Origin is around the corner, but at the moment I am focused on winning games in the Origin period and putting my best forward for the Broncos. If I start worrying about rep footy, I feel like my form will go down. But obviously if I get chosen in Origin, I want to win for NSW and get back at Queensland for what happened last year.”​

 

[McHunt]

When the number 1 rugby country on Earth has all it's clubs being beaten by the Warriors in match attendance playing league, you don't need to learn anything more about a dying sport.

If anything NRL in terms of public interest has grown faster post covid then I have ever seen, TV numbers and match attendances prove it.

The playing around the world argument falls flat when no atmosphere comes close to Origin or a GF and your there to play not be a tourist.

Rugby is really only popular at an international level, where it pulls more than a Broncos match but less than the AFL.

 

[Kimlo]

 

[Morkel]

Haas needs to be very careful following Origin. Once he's completed his Blues commitments he'll be the NSWRL'S #1 target for suspension. He just needs one more week, and he's out of contention, right? Maybe there will be a crackdown on the number of tacklers you are allowed to drag behind you.