NEWS Rival's $1.5 million raid on boom Bronco

[1910]

by giving all these young kids big contracts, we will likely have to lose consistent seasoned first graders ... in their place will be kids who in most cases will struggle to stay at the constant level required to win NRL games.

this means we can definitely kiss goodbye to a premiership anytime soon ... and probably start booking September holidays for at least the next few years

What it creates is a leadership vacuum. The Broncos have been through it before when Webcke, Petero and Thorn all moved on within two years of each other.

Because the future was deemed bright and shiny enough.

 

[1910]

Get rid of the cap for club jrs who have played <50 NRL games at the club that developed them (so wouldn't apply to Ponga at the Cows/ Knights, or us with TPJ). There you go, that will entice parasite clubs to start developing players.

EDIT: Once the player leaves the system for another the cap free benefit goes with it.

Junior and developed are two different things. Broncos don't have juniors.

McCullough is a Dalby Devils junior for example. I think McGuire would be the only 'Brisbane' produced at Norths.

 

[john1420]

The name Corey Oates ring a bell?

It sure does :)

But I really don't think you can compare the 2

Corey is an Origin baby and Billy is well, Billy Fricken Slater - the guy who we left out of game 1, got flogged and rushed back in

Don't try to tell me that with that history, Billy gets dropped while playing well, just because it happened to Oates

 

[Cult]

Junior and developed are two different things. Broncos don't have juniors.

McCullough is a Dalby Devils junior for example. I think McGuire would be the only 'Brisbane' produced at Norths.

Brisbane junior and Broncos juniors are two different things. If the club has been involved since they were 12 they are our juniors.

 

[Wolfie]

Like who ?? And times are changing now, you need to pay them or someone else will.

Times aren't changing enough that we can throw a good amount of the salary cap at kids. It's pure stupidity. For a start, as has been mentioned, it creates a leadership vacuum. If we break the bank to keep flegler, Fifita ( who is already on more money than players who have achieved more ), Carrigan, Sua, Paix, Boyd and Haas it's not going to leave us much wiggle room to keep some of the players we can rely on. Let these players prove themselves first. If they think the grass is greener elsewhere and if they want to chase the big dollars I say we let them do it. It will backfire on us big time if we start throwing decent coin at players without them earning it.

 

[Brent81]

Times aren't changing enough that we can throw a good amount of the salary cap at kids. It's pure stupidity. For a start, as has been mentioned, it creates a leadership vacuum. If we break the bank to keep flegler, Fifita ( who is already on more money than players who have achieved more ), Carrigan, Sua, Paix, Boyd and Haas it's not going to leave us much wiggle room to keep some of the players we can rely on. Let these players prove themselves first. If they think the grass is greener elsewhere and if they want to chase the big dollars I say we let them do it. It will backfire on us big time if we start throwing decent coin at players without them earning it.

Brisbane haven't won a premiership for 13 years.
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I'm not sure that too many of the current squad ought to be the subject of too much back slapping.

Macca, Moose, Thaiday, Gillett, Glenn etc have been dining on the green grass of multi year, top dollar deals; and what has the team achieved in that period with them as leaders?

You want to keep them; why, to teach the next generation how to lose big games?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Your comment smacks of doing the same thing over and over again.

 

[Wolfie]

Brisbane haven't won a premiership for 13 years.
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I'm not sure that too many of the current squad ought to be the subject of too much back slapping.

Macca, Moose, Thaiday, Gillett, Glenn etc have been dining on the green grass of multi year, top dollar deals; and what has the team achieved in that period with them as leaders?

You want to keep them; why, to teach the next generation how to lose big games?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Your comment smacks of doing the same thing over and over again.

Seems to me you just want to drop a load of kids into the deep end, pay them a fortune and hope to hell they can swim. Whats your answer to move us forward?

I'm not for one second saying we should do the same thing over and over again. We would be idiots to throw away proven performers like Moose, Macca, Gillett, Glenn, Boyd, how do we get rid of them for a start and who do we replace them with?

Where we are lacking is in the blokes in between the promising kids we have to integrate ( if we can get them to stay without paying them stupid money ) and our players like the ones i just mentioned. We have good younger players in and around the team ( TPJ, Sua, Lodge, Opacic, Nikorima Issako ) its the Milfords, Roberts and Birds we need better from, and we need better battle hardened NRL performers who just come in and do the job week after week. Our current issue is our big game players ( Bird, Boyd, Milf and Roberts ) arent stepping up enough. Oates, TPJ, Moose, Macca and maybe Lodge are the only blokes performing well week after week this year. Thats just not good enough.

 

[Brotherdu]

Brisbane haven't won a premiership for 13 years.
.
I'm not sure that too many of the current squad ought to be the subject of too much back slapping.

Macca, Moose, Thaiday, Gillett, Glenn etc have been dining on the green grass of multi year, top dollar deals; and what has the team achieved in that period with them as leaders?

You want to keep them; why, to teach the next generation how to lose big games?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Your comment smacks of doing the same thing over and over again.

I think we need to take a deep breath here. I want us to win a comp as much as the next guy, but a GF, Semi's and Prelim result in the last 3 years is hardly 'teaching the next generation how to lose big games'.

Some teams haven't been close to the finals in that time frame.

It's not supposed to be easy to win. Melbourne have won twice legitimately in recent history (last 20yrs) and for the last 10 of those, they've had 2 future immortals and the premier half back in the comp running the show.

Macca/Moose/Thaiday/Gillette/Glenn may not be in the best form at the moment, but they have all played their hearts out for a SUCCESSFUL Broncos and have likely taken unders to stay here. We made the prelim last year and now we need to let them go because doing the same thing over and over again (i.e. making the GF>Semi>Prelim) isn't cutting it.

I'm fairly confident in saying if we let them go and replaced them all with sub 20 to 50 game juniors, we likely aren't making the top 8 for a while.

If that's your definition of success, then sure, but personally, i'd rather be bitching about Hunt dropping the GF and scarring us for life, than us not making the finals at all.

 

[Broncs_Fan]

Get rid of the cap for club jrs who have played <50 NRL games at the club that developed them (so wouldn't apply to Ponga at the Cows/ Knights, or us with TPJ). There you go, that will entice parasite clubs to start developing players.

EDIT: Once the player leaves the system for another the cap free benefit goes with it.

Or us with Haas.

 

[1910]

Brisbane junior and Broncos juniors are two different things. If the club has been involved since they were 12 they are our juniors.

When we lose half of our players because other clubs offer our players over, we can actually complain. We've had him since he was 16. Just because the Warriors and Titans gave him $500 when he was 13 to wear their colours every so often doesn't mean he was ever theirs.

So Haas is back to being a Titans' junior?

I have never seen a player list their junior club as Brisbane Broncos.

Your junior club is just that your junior club you can't invent it and make it the Broncos. If you played juniors at Redcliffe you're a Dolphins junior even if you go on and play NRL.

Would you call Smith a Storm junior? He's been with them since Colts? He's Logan Brothers you can't just change it to your NRL club.

 

[winslow_wong]

Brisbane haven't won a premiership for 13 years.
.
I'm not sure that too many of the current squad ought to be the subject of too much back slapping.

Macca, Moose, Thaiday, Gillett, Glenn etc have been dining on the green grass of multi year, top dollar deals; and what has the team achieved in that period with them as leaders?

You want to keep them; why, to teach the next generation how to lose big games?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Your comment smacks of doing the same thing over and over again.

In bennett we trust.

 

[1910]

Like who ?? And times are changing now, you need to pay them or someone else will.

Why are you so sure they're NRL ready? What games has convinced you they're big money 30 games a year NRL players as of November?

 

[Wolfie]

Why are you so sure they're NRL ready? What games has convinced you they're big money 30 games a year NRL players as of November?

Fifita has big wraps, yet i think in the finals games he just played he was pretty ordinary. Haas gets all the hype, yet at every step in his Broncos career Carrigan has pretty much matched him and also been as good if not better ( just imo of course ) in ISC. Because he isnt media hyped he doesnt get the same wraps.

I agree with your point totally ( if im not reading it wrong ), what are people basing this faith in our young players on? I'm convinced a lot of it is just hype around them rather than watching them play.

 

[BroncsFan]

Get rid of the cap for club jrs who have played <50 NRL games at the club that developed them (so wouldn't apply to Ponga at the Cows/ Knights, or us with TPJ). There you go, that will entice parasite clubs to start developing players.

EDIT: Once the player leaves the system for another the cap free benefit goes with it.

I think the veterans allowance is just ridiculous though... $300k is a total cop out for the guys who have been servants of the game for 8-10 years. It's like 3% of the total salary cap.

Shouldn't it be treated as a reward to club and player for maintaining loyalty and a level of service sufficient for longevity??

Yet it barely covers 1 player.

That's not sufficient for a club to be able to maintain a level of ability in the squad whilst also ushering in the next generation of one club players.

 

[Cult]

So Haas is back to being a Titans' junior?

I have never seen a player list their junior club as Brisbane Broncos.

Your junior club is just that your junior club you can't invent it and make it the Broncos. If you played juniors at Redcliffe you're a Dolphins junior even if you go on and play NRL.

Would you call Smith a Storm junior? He's been with them since Colts? He's Logan Brothers you can't just change it to your NRL club.

If you've spent your teens actually playing for an NRL club or an affiliate or you ever actually show up to an NRL clubs training session you're their junior and should fit under their junior bracket, not the team that gives you a contract at 13 to wear their polo shirt and never even step foot on a training paddock with them. Nobody gives a shit about your infatuation with bush league footy clubs who don't benefit from cap concessions and this situation wouldn't involve them at all.

Your constant shitting on who the Broncos made into first grade rugby league players is getting ridiculous at this point. We get it, you like to give local clubs credit but why do they matter when it comes to cap concessions?

 

[Wild Horse]

Even if you use Hunt as a strictly running half we still let the wrong half go.

I think Milf has more potential than Hunt. Still waiting though.

 

[Wild Horse]

Who'd want to be a half back for the Brisbane broncos.. no wonder we can't find one anywhere.

Sarcasm right?

 

[winslow_wong]

Sarcasm right?

Apparently there's a lot of pressure to be the broncos halfback. So until someone can step up and handle that pressure we'll be lacking a half back for sometime.