Shaun Metcalf back in NRL

[dukey]

But that's a completely different discussion. At age 16, when you kick a girl in the abdomen to try and force a miscarriage, you know exactly what you're doing. It's as bad as a 32 year old doing it.

Exactly.

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However, as I said before, I resent the fact that the media are trying to portray him as a paedophile.

Not sure what the laws are in NZ, but in QLD he would be charged with statutory rape as the girl was under 16.

EDIT: Confirmed, they have the same laws as us. So he was also guilty of statutory rape. So he's a child sex offender too.[/quote:3kj9azl7]

I seem to remember from High School sex ed that there is an allowance; if you're within 3 years of the age of the minor it's ok. That's why we don't see 15 year olds charged with statutory rape for having sex with other 15 year olds.

The bloke is scum, but let's keep it in perspective. He's woman bashing, baby murdering scum, not kiddy fiddler scum.

 

[Coxy]

Nothing in the legislation for NZ that indicates that lenience. Nor in Queensland. It may be prosecuted that way, but that's a judgment of police in not laying charges, not the legislation.

 

[Nashy]

Righto. This has been done to death. Everyone has put their opinions forward, and no one is going to convince the other side differently.

He's not being condemned for having sex with a 15 year old, nor should he.

Feel free to PM an Admin or Mod if you have any extra info to add to this never ending argument.

 

[Aeetee]

Bails you can't lock a topic when your one of the masses putting your opinion forward. Makes it look like an abuse of power and an easy way out.

It stays unlocked for now.

 

[Anonymous person]

That'll do me. You just compared toilet training to brutal torture and murder of a toddler.
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Age is no excuse and it boggles my mind that you believe it is. Makes me wonder what atrocities you committed as a child/teenager that you want to have excused.

well no, i didnt.

i was simply saying that age does make a difference, no matter how slight it might be. you CANNOT deny that the difference in mental maturity and thought processes are different between a 16 year old and a 23 year old.

so youre saying that a 60 year old having sex with a 16 year old is the same as a 16 year old having sex with a 16 year old? because age makes no difference apparently.

in the 10 year old killing a 4 year old case, do you REALLY think that a 10 year old knows the gravity of what theyre doing as well as a 20 year old would? or a 30 year old?

 

[Coxy]

The problem is you can't differentiate the acts. Everybody who's remotely sane knows that killing someone is wrong. A 10 year old knows that killing a 4 year old is completely and utterly wrong, and the two should never have been released from prison, just as 2 x 20 year olds or 2 x 60 year olds torturing and murdering a child shouldn't.

Metcalf as a 16 year old knew exactly what he was doing when he kicked his girlfriend repeatedly. That he was 16 is no excuse, does not lessen what he did and does not give him more right to "rehabilitation" and "say he's sorry" than a 23 year old, 30 year old, 60 year old.

As I said, only someone who did or thought of doing some pretty horrible things as a minor would try and make an excuse for it to try and justify their own thoughts/actions.

So I wonder what you and Nashy did or thought about as 16 year olds/10 year olds...

 

[Nashy]

Don't bring me into that little argument. He knew perfectly well that what he was doing was wrong. It was as wrong as a 16 year old, as it was for a 30 year old.

But that still doesn't mean people don't grow up.

When I was 16, I was a fucking idiot on a lot of different things, and my views towards other people were completely distorted. Now days, I think back to my mindset then, and it was truly pathetic.

People grow up. It's that simple.

Your entire argument seems to be trying to make it look like we think what he did was alright, and not as bad as it really was. It was fucking disgusting.

But I am very much in favour of a corrections system over a prison system. And professionals let him leave stating he was rehabilitated.

Sometimes we put too much trust in those "professionals", and it back fires. I hope, with his chosen career, the support of the Warriors and NRL. This can help his story, be a success story.

Does he deserve it? Doubtful. Is he lucky? Very. Do I agree with the short stint behind bars? No, there still should have been some punishment there.

But he is out. So I'm not one to stop him doing what he wants to do. If some companies tell him to piss off, then he has to live with that, and I'm sure he knows quite well that will be the case for the rest of his life.

 

[Porthoz]

When I was 16, I was a **** idiot on a lot of different things, and my views towards other people were completely distorted. Now days, I think back to my mindset then, and it was truly pathetic.

People grow up. It's that simple.

Your entire argument seems to be trying to make it look like we think what he did was alright, and not as bad as it really was. It was **** disgusting.

And your point of view may change again in another few years... [icon_wink

Nashy, there is one thing you still haven't answered, and I cannot fathom you didn't understand the question. I know you vehemently condemn the act he did years ago, and feel for the victim.
Rehabilitation is fine and a good thing IMO, but it should never be at the expense of the victim(s)!

Can't you imagine that every time this guy's name is mentioned on TV or in the News for his NRL feats, it will be lick another kick in the guts of that woman/child and any other female victim of a similar type of violence? Once again... How is that okay with you?

 

[Nashy]

Yeah, it's quite possible when I'm old I might think like you guys [icon_wink

Yes, I think it's going to be hard for her. Really hard to start with. But I have no doubt she has help available to help her through it, and to finally get over it.

That's the great thing about us humans. We have the ability to cope.

I'm not saying they (family and her) are going to get over their hate for him being there, but I have no doubt they can get into a mindset where they just don't let it bother them as much, or at all.

Do I agree with what I'm saying? Yes and No. Confused? haha.

I don't want to see her hurt more than she needs to be. But I still don't think that he should be restricted from doing what he wants, especially when a company if allowing him to do it with another chance.

The sad fact for her is, this has happened. What's done is done. But she needs to move on from that day when she was a 15 year old child, and move on with her life, and put it behind her.

Before anyone says anything. No, she will never forget, I don't expect her to. But like any victim of violent crime, they need help and support so they can get on with life as if the evil event never happened.

 

[Porthoz]

Before anyone says anything. No, she will never forget, I don't expect her to. But like any victim of violent crime, they need help and support so they can get on with life as if the evil event never happened.

How do you expect this to happen, when chances are that she will regularly be confronted with this guy on TV or a magazine or a newspaper?
If it was any other job that wouldn't have a chance of putting him in the limelight, I would agree with you.
In this case, we (the game) are doing that with a woman/child basher. Anyone who was a victim of such an act will feel violated, and that is where I draw the line.
If the rehabilitation is in any way going to hurt the victim again, sorry but that's not acceptable. Find another solution, even if that does disadvantage the perpetrator.

 

[Bucking Beads]

The sad fact for her is, this has happened. What's done is done. But she needs to move on from that day when she was a 15 year old child, and move on with her life, and put it behind her.

There really is no time limit on moving on from such pain.

 

[Charmamba]

Hands up if your mindset now is the same as it was when you turned 16 and you haven't learnt from mistakes you made then to better yourself now.

 

[Coxy]

Hands up if your mindset was ever fucked up enough to think kicking a girl to death would be the answer to your problems?

 

[Charmamba]

Noone is saying it was the correct mindset at the time and hopefully noone else has that mindset ever again, but after all the rehab he would have done over the past 7yrs and the hopeful increase in maturity from 16 to 23 he deserves a chance to get his life back on track and continue growing as a man.

 

[Coxy]

At the risk of repeating myself, that's fine, but not in the NRL. Get a job as a labourer, or a receptionist, or whatever it is you do. Doesn't deserve the adulation that comes with professional sport.

Unless he's shit. In which case he's welcome to the public humiliation.

 

[Charmamba]

The ideal situation would be to let him play NRL let him make a name for himself and use him as an example of a young kid who fucked up and learnt from his mistake. Put it in his contract that he must do talks with other troubled teens explain to them how that one mistake changed his life how it took time away from his dreams.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I want to know how one is rehabilitated??

 

[Charmamba]

http://www.criminalrehabilitation.org/FAQ.htm

Only read the first bit the rest is about religion.