Broncos Roster, Signings and Rumours Discussion 2021

[Unbreakable]

Hence the MASSIVE amount of context mentioned - both those questions the answer is easily A. too much (anything above 100k is) and B. How quickly are we going to forget how much of a bad influence Lodge and TPJ were? We finally get a likable team with FAR less idiots and you want to bring a huge one in?

If we're on a strictly no dickhead policy I assume you won't be supporting or cheering for Staggs moving forward?

Unfortunately Rugby League is full of them. If our leadership & culture has improved so much for 2022 under Donaghy, Ikin, Walters - and the addition of smart veterans like Reynolds & Capewell, you should theoretically be able to introduce a questionable personality and not have it affect the team as a whole.

The issue we had coming in to this season is that we had no leadership in the front office, no leadership on the field and like 5 absolute cockheads bringing the morale down.

Now, I'm far from the biggest Adam Elliott fan, but completely discounting potential value signings because of previous incidents at a different club simply isn't the way to look at things. We've seen multiple instances of it working out for clubs, good example from this season is Corey Harawira-Naera, had off-field troubles, got let go by the Dogs, signed for the Raiders at a discounted rate, has been playing extremely good footy for them ever since. It can work, if you've got the leadership to bring the player up to the standards you're setting.

 

[Sproj]

If we're on a strictly no dickhead policy I assume you won't be supporting or cheering for Staggs moving forward?

Unfortunately Rugby League is full of them. If our leadership & culture has improved so much for 2022 under Donaghy, Ikin, Walters - and the addition of smart veterans like Reynolds & Capewell, you should theoretically be able to introduce a questionable personality and not have it affect the team as a whole.

The issue we had coming in to this season is that we had no leadership in the front office, no leadership on the field and like 5 absolute cockheads bringing the morale down.

Now, I'm far from the biggest Adam Elliott fan, but completely discounting potential value signings because of previous incidents at a different club simply isn't the way to look at things. We've seen multiple instances of it working out for clubs, good example from this season is Corey Harawira-Naera, had off-field troubles, got let go by the Dogs, signed for the Raiders at a discounted rate, has been playing extremely good footy for them ever since. It can work, if you've got the leadership to bring the player up to the standards you're setting.

I think you are missing the point, if it is a good enough player, sure bring them in. As you are aware, I'm a massive supporter of the Lions and one of the best players they have at the club is Mitch Robinson but he used to be a total hothead and moron but came to Brisbane after being delisted and has become the heart and soul of the club because he grew up.

Elliott might well do the same but how do you think it will affect the girls team with Millie being there (as far as I'm aware anyway)? It is a massive risk and yes, if he wanted to come for 100k, sure sign him up but he won't. I'd rather take the risk on Lui or even Napa because he WILL be cheap, so I'm not risk adverse.

The difference is, Elliott has just done another alcohol incident on top of many, he hasn't had any time to prove himself changed. As for Staggs, I knew you'd bring him up but don't forget, he was already at the club. The other massive bit of context is that we are bringing in some seemingly good blokes in Capewell (who also learned from his past), Reynolds and Lee but still have a bucketload of impressionable kids. Now is not the time to be taking that heat or risk with a bloke who just proved himself a moron after recently getting rid of a few others who were clearly causing the squad to fracture. We are not stable enough for this kind of situation.

 

[Unbreakable]

I think you are missing the point, if it is a good enough player, sure bring them in. As you are aware, I'm a massive supporter of the Lions and one of the best players they have at the club is Mitch Robinson but he used to be a total hothead and moron but came to Brisbane after being delisted and has become the heart and soul of the club because he grew up.

Elliott might well do the same but how do you think it will affect the girls team with Millie being there (as far as I'm aware anyway)? It is a massive risk and yes, if he wanted to come for 100k, sure sign him up but he won't. I'd rather take the risk on Lui or even Napa because he WILL be cheap, so I'm not risk adverse.

The difference is, Elliott has just done another alcohol incident on top of many, he hasn't had any time to prove himself changed. As for Staggs, I knew you'd bring him up but don't forget, he was already at the club. The other massive bit of context is that we are bringing in some seemingly good blokes in Capewell (who also learned from his past), Reynolds and Lee but still have a bucketload of impressionable kids. Now is not the time to be taking that heat or risk with a bloke who just proved himself a moron after recently getting rid of a few others who were clearly causing the squad to fracture. We are not stable enough for this kind of situation.

Did you really just say we shouldn't consider signing Elliott because, and I quote: "How will it affect the girls team?"



I can't say it crossed my mind. They kissed, big whoop.

As I said earlier, I would only consider him if he came cheap, on a make-good contract. I would also have stipulations in that contract relating to alcohol consumption & a zero tolerance for off-field incidents.

It's far from a slam dunk, but at some point you have to take a chance on a risky signing. Reynolds, Capewell, Brenko, Jensen, Pereira, Walters.. there's not a lot of risk in that bunch, nor is there much upside. Live a little Sproj.

 

[theshed]

Did you really just say we shouldn't consider signing Elliott because, and I quote: "How will it affect the girls team?"



I can't say it crossed my mind. They kissed, big whoop.

As I said earlier, I would only consider him if he came cheap, on a make-good contract. I would also have stipulations in that contract relating to alcohol consumption & a zero tolerance for off-field incidents.

It's far from a slam dunk, but at some point you have to take a chance on a risky signing. Reynolds, Capewell, Brenko, Jensen, Pereira, Walters.. there's not a lot of risk in that bunch, nor is there much upside. Live a little Sproj.

The guy was sacked from a team that happily just signed TPJ, Vaughn, Dufty and Naden. Not a good sign.

 

[Sproj]

Did you really just say we shouldn't consider signing Elliott because, and I quote: "How will it affect the girls team?"



I can't say it crossed my mind. They kissed, big whoop.

As I said earlier, I would only consider him if he came cheap, on a make-good contract. I would also have stipulations in that contract relating to alcohol consumption & a zero tolerance for off-field incidents.

It's far from a slam dunk, but at some point you have to take a chance on a risky signing. Reynolds, Capewell, Brenko, Jensen, Pereira, Walters.. there's not a lot of risk in that bunch, nor is there much upside. Live a little Sproj.

Dude, I've said I am all for Napa, I'm all for living a little but if I'm taking a punt, it is on someone better than Elliott. I also haven't watched many games this year as well documented, but last I saw, he was a backrower anyway and we are also very well served in that department.

Also, the girl's team effect was showing the implication it could have on the wider club, I really didn't think I would have to explain that but I guess I shouldn't assume that things that seem obvious to me may not be obvious to others.

 

[WASSHHH]

Did you really just say we shouldn't consider signing Elliott because, and I quote: "How will it affect the girls team?"



I can't say it crossed my mind. They kissed, big whoop.

As I said earlier, I would only consider him if he came cheap, on a make-good contract. I would also have stipulations in that contract relating to alcohol consumption & a zero tolerance for off-field incidents.

It's far from a slam dunk, but at some point you have to take a chance on a risky signing. Reynolds, Capewell, Brenko, Jensen, Pereira, Walters.. there's not a lot of risk in that bunch, nor is there much upside. Live a little Sproj.

A penny for the thoughts of @broncos4life on bringing Millie’s loose boyfriend to the club

 

[Allo]

If people are putting Haas and Staggs up for argument over the ‘no dickhead policy’ , then I’m sure Elliott would contravene the fail-safe ‘no fuckwit policy’

 

[Dash]

I think you are missing the point, if it is a good enough player, sure bring them in. As you are aware, I'm a massive supporter of the Lions and one of the best players they have at the club is Mitch Robinson but he used to be a total hothead and moron but came to Brisbane after being delisted and has become the heart and soul of the club because he grew up.

Elliott might well do the same but how do you think it will affect the girls team with Millie being there (as far as I'm aware anyway)? It is a massive risk and yes, if he wanted to come for 100k, sure sign him up but he won't. I'd rather take the risk on Lui or even Napa because he WILL be cheap, so I'm not risk adverse.

The difference is, Elliott has just done another alcohol incident on top of many, he hasn't had any time to prove himself changed. As for Staggs, I knew you'd bring him up but don't forget, he was already at the club. The other massive bit of context is that we are bringing in some seemingly good blokes in Capewell (who also learned from his past), Reynolds and Lee but still have a bucketload of impressionable kids. Now is not the time to be taking that heat or risk with a bloke who just proved himself a moron after recently getting rid of a few others who were clearly causing the squad to fracture. We are not stable enough for this kind of situation.

Let's be honest, Mitch Robinson is still a hothead and a moron. He just plays for a good team so it's okay.

 

[Sproj]

Let's be honest, Mitch Robinson is still a hothead and a moron. He just plays for a good team so it's okay.

Hothead yes but moron no, the guy is amazing off the field, he absolutely loves the club and is first one there whenever a player needs something, fantastic clubman who has become quite a leader. He’s taken Rayner under his wing and a big reason Cam looks to also be an emerging leader, just needs to get his knee right.

 

[Lockysillegitimatechild]

Hothead yes but moron no, the guy is amazing off the field, he absolutely loves the club and is first one there whenever a player needs something, fantastic clubman who has become quite a leader. He’s taken Rayner under his wing and a big reason Cam looks to also be an emerging leader, just needs to get his knee right.

Who are these people?

 

[Unbreakable]

Dude, I've said I am all for Napa, I'm all for living a little but if I'm taking a punt, it is on someone better than Elliott. I also haven't watched many games this year as well documented, but last I saw, he was a backrower anyway and we are also very well served in that department.

Also, the girl's team effect was showing the implication it could have on the wider club, I really didn't think I would have to explain that but I guess I shouldn't assume that things that seem obvious to me may not be obvious to others.

Yeah the problem with your Napa & Lui suggestions is that they're props, and also not very good at football. Elliott is actually good. He's been playing on an edge primarily this season, but his best position is lock. First half of last season (before his injury) he was one of the form lock's in the competition. Running for a bunch of metres, making 35 tackles per game, offloading like crazy, busting tackles, setting up and scoring the occasional pie. If we could somehow get his head screwed on right, he'd be a great purchase at the right price.

It may be a slight risk, but as I said, the upside is tantalising if it pays off. And if it doesn't, it wouldn't be hard to offload him to England.

 

[broncos4life]

A penny for the thoughts of @broncos4life on bringing Millie’s loose boyfriend to the club

It’s a hard no from me.

 

[Fitzy]

Who are these people?

There talking about fucken AFL

 

[Shane Tronc]

Just don’t see how Elliott is worth the risk. We’ve finally got some team harmony going - why would we risk ruining that? Bloke has some serious self control problems. What happens if he roots one of the players’ partners? Also imo Hetherington has been great on both sides of the ball this year. He does a lot of important off the ball work in attack.

 

[Fitzy]

Yeah the problem with your Napa & Lui suggestions is that they're props, and also not very good at football. Elliott is actually good. He's been playing on an edge primarily this season, but his best position is lock. First half of last season (before his injury) he was one of the form lock's in the competition. Running for a bunch of metres, making 35 tackles per game, offloading like crazy, busting tackles, setting up and scoring the occasional pie. If we could somehow get his head screwed on right, he'd be a great purchase at the right price.

It may be a slight risk, but as I said, the upside is tantalising if it pays off. And if it doesn't, it wouldn't be hard to offload him to England.

What your forgetting and everybody else is seeming to forget is that the club views Carrigan as a Lock, the lock and our Lock. They just got rid of Bullemor cause we have to many forwards fighting for spots you really reckon they are gonna move Carrigan to front row to make that rotation even harder to break, whilst our lock ‘Elliot’ or ‘Hetherington’ is either a piss head who ***** the culture (Elliot) or not quite good enough to be the starting lock (Hetherington). It’s a big no to Elliot and in the current state of this team I’m keeping Carrigan at lock. Even if Carrigan moved to the front row I’d be going hetherington first even though I just bagged him but he is good for culture and we get to save cash.

Disclaimer: I love Hetherington, don’t get up me I just think we’d be stupid to move Carrigan to front row which would reduce his minutes when he already has such a huge influence at lock

 

[Fozz]

I don't see forward depth as a problem at this club, otherwise we wouldn't have let Bullemor and Lodge go (yes, they're props not backrowers but still overall...) or TPJ. Elliott or Napa are not an upgrade on any and they both have baggage that seems contrary to our new No Dropkicks policy.

Napa is a definite no. Elliott is no but he's got time on his side to turn it around. But elsewhere first, maybe even at QCUP level.

 

[Unbreakable]

What your forgetting and everybody else is seeming to forget is that the club views Carrigan as a Lock, the lock and our Lock. They just got rid of Bullemor cause we have to many forwards fighting for spots you really reckon they are gonna move Carrigan to front row to make that rotation even harder to break, whilst our lock ‘Elliot’ or ‘Hetherington’ is either a piss head who ***** the culture (Elliot) or not quite good enough to be the starting lock (Hetherington). It’s a big no to Elliot and in the current state of this team I’m keeping Carrigan at lock. Even if Carrigan moved to the front row I’d be going hetherington first even though I just bagged him but he is good for culture and we get to save cash.

Disclaimer: I love Hetherington, don’t get up me I just think we’d be stupid to move Carrigan to front row which would reduce his minutes when he already has such a huge influence at lock

Carrigan is not a lock, he doesn't have a single attribute that would indicate he will ever be a lock. He has no ball-playing ability, he doesn't offload, and he's not mobile enough to bust the line or cause any real problems for the opposition defense with his footwork or speed. He's about as prototypical of a prop as you can get in the modern game.

The departure of Lodge, who clogged up a lot of prop minutes over the last couple of years, will facilitate the move to prop fulltime for Carrigan next season in my opinion. Hence why I believe we'll need an actual lock on the roster next season, apart from Hetho.

 

[Wolfie]

Elliot would be such a poor signing. He's simply a tool. After what we have done to rectify our roster signing a bloke like him would be a backwards step. He would be worth the risk at minimum wage on a one year deal with a year option in our favour. Even then, personally i'd still not bother.