Josh McGuire - Backrow

[Alec]

Yeah, if the lock position doesn't evolve/change in the next few years, I want McGuire at lock once Parker retires. I certainly don't want Thaiday there for too long.

 

[Big Pete]

Well tbh....there's no big money name there. (or at least deserves to be) sans Parker

The increasing cap too is worth remembering.

It's rarely if ever about deserves and unless Kasiano wants to come up here for cheap, I doubt we'd be able to sign him when there are so many desperate clubs out there.

It'd be a waste of money and for what? An overrated season he had 2 years back and 20 minutes he played against us?

No thanks.

Would rather Oates in that team regardless. I rate him higher and to be honest, he should be starting right now and running lines at Widdop and Marshall this weekend.

He'll barely get any game-time but the try he scored on the weekend is a reminder of what he's capable of.

 

[Bucking Beads]

McGuire is just Watmough with a neck. Very similar types IMO.

 

[Broncoman]

Not agile and skillfull enough for the backrow for my liking. He just runs hard and strong like a battering ram and doesn't really have a passing game or much offloading ability.

He is a front rower through and through.

 

[Alec]

McGuire is just Watmough with a neck. Very similar types IMO.

Watmough plays in the middle despite Manly's numbering (with Glenn Stewart playing right 2nd row)...yeah, they are pretty similar, two "smaller" guys who can match it up front with the best of them.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Watmough plays in the middle despite Manly's numbering (with Glenn Stewart playing right 2nd row)...yeah, they are pretty similar, two "smaller" guys who can match it up front with the best of them.

Yeah I want trying to say McGuire could play back row with the comparison. You are spot on.

 

[Huge]

Just to clarify something. I believe McGuire is a good skilful frontrower. There is no doubt about that and I've never said or thought differently. Equally I believe he could be front,second or lock. While I like his fearlessness and work ethic I believe he is in the second tier of NRL front rowers and I believe that even with a great deal of effort he would always be borderline first/ second tier. If his natural body weight was 5/7 kilos heavier then I think he would be consistent top tier. Blokes like Steve Price,Shane Webcke ,Glen Lazarus,Blocker Roach, all big men even if they never spent a moment in the gym. I know some may point out that Webby was not a tall man but he was sturdy and if he and McGuire were at natural slim weight without weight training Webby would be easily the heavier of the two.

 

[Rabbir]

If Parker retired I could see McGuire as a lock.

 

[rnabokov]

I'd like to see him develop an offload to put him at lock, but I agree he would certainly do a great job there.

Wherever McGuire plays, he needs it drummed into him to look to offload, and pass at the line. There's a time to die with the ball and given our lightweight pack, a time to offload and pass - like most of the time.

 

[Huge]

Wherever McGuire plays, he needs it drummed into him to look to offload, and pass at the line. There's a time to die with the ball and given our lightweight pack, a time to offload and pass - like most of the time.

I kind of like your ( I think ! ) idea to have him do something a little differently like start in his normal position but have one of the others , Glenn perhaps, play his position. Have Josh running hard a bit wider out and have Barba, Hoffman watching from behind for a half chance. I like the idea of a little innovation because earlier this year something was said that absolutely got me retching. It wad one player saying how easy it was to defend Broncos ! We never tried anything different, always one out with lightweight forwards and finishing plays at the end of each set that you could see coming from an adjoining suburb !

 

[badyon]

Mcguire gets metres because no one else is really getting a fair shot at playing big minutes in the middle consistently. He's 1.8m, James Graham is 1.9. No one fears this broncos pack. It is a bunch of short guys that don't smash in defence and don't do a lot of line breaks in attack. Like Glenn. Or, overrated players like Thaiday. Or guys like Gillett that consistently top miss tackle percentages. Even Scott is 1.85. McGuire is just too short to be a dominant prop. Even a mutant like Gallen is often a liability at prop he just takes a lot of hit ups, hardly looks to offload, at the expense of better plays. If Gallen plays prop, I know 2 games out of 3, that team will lose against a quality side. Same with McGuire at the broncs.

 

[Alec]

You can substitute "fear" for good tackling technique in wrestling players on the backs and proper slowing down the play the ball. It's far better than the intimidation factor IMO, and far more useful come finals time too. That's what we should be concentrating on, "proper" tackling.

 

[bazza]

This thread is ridiculous to even suggest McGuire is a second row forward. He doesn't even remotely play like one. He is a pure workhorse. However, although he plays like a prop, he does so with a second rowers body, and therefore I believe his ideal position would be as a lock forward. That way he would be able to play in the middle third, exactly the way he is doing currently, just for 80 minutes.

I feel we need bigger and taller blokes playing prop to be able to match it with the bigger packs. Currently we don't have the size to lay the platform from which attacking plays can be executed. I feel we're guilty of playing a mobile type of game plan, which can be effective, however we still need the bigger blokes to get us on the front foot. It is hard to attack, when we haven't been able to dent the opposition defence, which is why we tend to play too lateral at times and are quite easily defended.

You have to earn the right to shift the ball to the back line players for attacking set plays. The only way we can do that is with a few bigger props bending the line, rather than smaller and mobile props trying to run around the opposition. Having size also helps in defence. Bigger packs like Souths seem to steam-roll our lightweight pack, allowing their backs the opportunities to attack and score points. Its no surprise why the better teams have bigger packs.

That is why I feel Parker is better utilised at lock, and for everyone suggesting he plays the exact same role either way, yes I understand that part of it, but Parker is a lot more effective doing his role for 80mins as a lock. I feel we're missing out when he's not on the field. Offloads are better done on the third or fourth tackle, which would be when Parker would take a hit-up. This would be after the bigger props have laid the platform. I feel Parker at times may force an offload, when there's nothing on, as no space has been created. Instead having a few hitups by the bigger props which would create space, followed by one of Parker's special hit-ups and offloads would be off greater effectiveness in terms of attacking football as the opposition is on the back foot, with a staggered defensive line.

 

[rnabokov]

You can substitute "fear" for good tackling technique in wrestling players on the backs and proper slowing down the play the ball. It's far better than the intimidation factor IMO, and far more useful come finals time too. That's what we should be concentrating on, "proper" tackling.

I agree. Proper tackling in a defensive line that moves up fast. Which then makes it intimidating, which then makes the opposition make mistakes out of both frustration and desperation

 

[Mr Fourex]

I agree. Proper tackling in a defensive line that moves up fast. Which then makes it intimidating, which then makes the opposition make mistakes out of both frustration and desperation

This ^^^

Brisbane sit on their heels and wait.

 

[Huge]

This thread is ridiculous to even suggest McGuire is a second row forward. He doesn't even remotely play like one. He is a pure workhorse. However, although he plays like a prop, he does so with a second rowers body, and therefore I believe his ideal position would be as a lock forward. That way he would be able to play in the middle third, exactly the way he is doing currently, just for 80 minutes.

I feel we need bigger and taller blokes playing prop to be able to match it with the bigger packs. Currently we don't have the size to lay the platform from which attacking plays can be executed. I feel we're guilty of playing a mobile type of game plan, which can be effective, however we still need the bigger blokes to get us on the front foot. It is hard to attack, when we haven't been able to dent the opposition defence, which is why we tend to play too lateral at times and are quite easily defended.

You have to earn the right to shift the ball to the back line players for attacking set plays. The only way we can do that is with a few bigger props bending the line, rather than smaller and mobile props trying to run around the opposition. Having size also helps in defence. Bigger packs like Souths seem to steam-roll our lightweight pack, allowing their backs the opportunities to attack and score points. Its no surprise why the better teams have bigger packs.

That is why I feel Parker is better utilised at lock, and for everyone suggesting he plays the exact same role either way, yes I understand that part of it, but Parker is a lot more effective doing his role for 80mins as a lock. I feel we're missing out when he's not on the field. Offloads are better done on the third or fourth tackle, which would be when Parker would take a hit-up. This would be after the bigger props have laid the platform. I feel Parker at times may force an offload, when there's nothing on, as no space has been created. Instead having a few hitups by the bigger props which would create space, followed by one of Parker's special hit-ups and offloads would be off greater effectiveness in terms of attacking football as the opposition is on the back foot, with a staggered defensive line.

Funny that I agree so wholeheartedly with the majority of this post yet find myself disagreeing with just the opening line ! Yes, you're right he doesn't play like a second rower but to suggest he couldn't,well just because I haven't heard you play the piano doesn't mean you can't ....if you get my drift. I remember watching him when he first came on the scene ( on TV that is ) and I'm pretty sure he was passing the ball and being a little more adventurous than he is these days.

 

[rnabokov]

Imagine a pack of (minus hooker):

James Graham
Matt Scott
Sam Burgess
SBW
Corey Parker

What a wealth of opportunities for 2nd phase plays - for the halves, and the support runners.

McGuire is essential to the Broncos. He makes great metres and tackles well. Imagine what a forward he could be if he would regularly use the ball at least half as much as he uses his body.

Guess you can't have everything, but then, I am not complaining about him. I think Josh is a very good prop and given his game, that's where he belongs.

 

[Mr Fourex]

It's rarely if ever about deserves and unless Kasiano wants to come up here for cheap, I doubt we'd be able to sign him when there are so many desperate clubs out there.

It'd be a waste of money and for what? An overrated season he had 2 years back and 20 minutes he played against us?

No thanks.

Would rather Oates in that team regardless. I rate him higher and to be honest, he should be starting right now and running lines at Widdop and Marshall this weekend.

He'll barely get any game-time but the try he scored on the weekend is a reminder of what he's capable of.

Yes, well Oates isn't a prop now is he. I agree, I'd love to see him getting more game time. It's almost time to cut Glenn loose.

Thaiday's contract is up next year, you certainly wouldn't be giving him an upgrade. Hannant reportedly WB likes, but still at 500K, he's not worth it....he's up for renewal next year.

I think there's more room in that cap then you think, if we start running a broom through the dead wood.